Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[ZiggySpurs]

This has prolly been dealt with elsewhere, but is there any reason why Antonio didn't do the Presser vs Forest ?

Doesn't have to for the CC as far as I know, so he left it to Stellini. Liverpool's presser was also done by their assistant manager.

 

[ajspurs]

I personally have just reached a real level of acceptance now. Yes things in games can frustrate me still, like Dier's mistake just recently but it's also really hit home for me just how much work the side needs still so I don't really go into games with the high expectations I maybe would have. You could maybe argue another manager may get us on the front foot more or playing more attractive football, for better or for worse, but we don't have another manager, we have Conte and he may require more specifics to his side to get what he wants but I feel like in the long term it will be well worth it and will yield better results than what most other managers could accomplish.

I think the difference this season is that there have been very few reminders of what a functioning 'Conte side' could look like whereas last season I felt like we saw a lot more patches of something that may resemble more of the 'finished product'.

I remember it picked up a bit more last season away to Leeds, when Sessegnon and Doherty both got forward really well that day and combined with a few wing back to wing back moves. I think around that period Conte even said our performances were starting to having more of his imprint in them or something along those lines but that's definitely not been the case for a lot of games this season. The Liverpool game for large periods felt like one of those few reminders.

 

[dricha1]

Good points, but why the difference between halves. Has anyone mentioned the fact that ED attacked on the right hand side supplying 3 very dangerous crosses, no we all remember one mistake. Does anyone remark about the sudden changed in Peri delivery, no we all remember non existant first half crosses. Does anyone highlight energy and pace from all players, no we remember slow static build up. What I am trying to say is why cannot we not take the game to the opposition from the off. If we did we could be a very different entertaining team who we all love and rejoyce in. The frustrating thing is we are so close to being a very good team but is missing that ingredient that pulls the players and fans together as one. What that is I have no idea or I would be a football manager.

I’m convinced, without any evidence to back it up, that our 1st half performances this season have been about the World Cup and conserving energy. It doesn’t seem logical why we play this way, and this wasn’t the case last season. But with a better squad this season to last, it’s the only explanation I can think of. I don’t think Conte sends them out to play totally on the back foot, but then I don’t think he fully encourages them to go for teams in the 1st half either, it’s probably somewhere inbetween. Injuries haven’t helped either. I suppose we’ll find out after the World Cup?

 

[mil1lion]

We may be saving energy in the first half but it's been poor because of the poor passing. That side of things clearly isn't part of the plan. I'm sure the plan is to keep it tight first half but still retain the ball and play out better. We haven't seen enough of that quality to play out and beat a press. If we can be better on the ball in deep positions we'll get our more and create chances on the break. Then in the 2nd half up the intensity and turn the screw further to put teams away with our fitness.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

....I think that it's a mixture of impatience and frustration because people are looking over at Newcastle and Arsenal.

Which is hilarious because arsenal are where they are precisely because they showed patience (at the board level) even when fans for were baying for blood

Arteta finished 8th, 8th and 5th and will likely get 2nd....Conte finished 4th and has us in 4th after one summer...imagine what he could do in his fourth season after multiple windows if backed like Arteta

 

[DarwinSpur]

Which is hilarious because arsenal are where they are because precisely because they showed patience (at the board level) even when fans for were baying for blood

Arteta finished 8th, 8th and 5th and will likely get 2nd....Conte finished 4th and has us in 4th after one summer...imagine what he could do in his fourth season after multiple windows if backed like Arteta

It's a fucking embarrassment that Arsenal fans showed more support and faith in Arteta than we have so far with Conte. Even when Conte somehow took 4th from them last year from an impossible position.

They are now reaping the rewards.

 

[chrissivad]

It's a fucking embarrassment that Arsenal fans showed more support and faith in Arteta than we have so far with Conte. Even when Conte somehow took 4th from them last year from an impossible position.

They are now reaping the rewards.

Did they? I thought they called for him to be sacked a lot of times.

We need to give Conte time, but fans will continue to be frustrated if we keep starting the first half as we have been

 

[carmeldevil]

It's a fucking embarrassment that Arsenal fans showed more support and faith in Arteta than we have so far with Conte. Even when Conte somehow took 4th from them last year from an impossible position.

They are now reaping the rewards.

This is based on what data?

 

[Metalhead]

It's a fucking embarrassment that Arsenal fans showed more support and faith in Arteta than we have so far with Conte. Even when Conte somehow took 4th from them last year from an impossible position.

They are now reaping the rewards.

Certainly the board did and I imagine that ENIC will with Conte.

 

[DarwinSpur]

This is based on what data?

Even after starting last season with 3 losses in a row I don't recall Arteta being questioned weekly by journos on half time booing by the stadium they are supposed to be getting "support" from.

Don't remember Arsemania being all Arteta out. In fact the majority were quite happy to "trust the process" - even while we were mocking that very phrase.

ArseTV isn't the Arsenal fanbase. Unfortunately...

 

[DarwinSpur]

Certainly the board did and I imagine that ENIC will with Conte.

I'm not worried about Enic. I'm worried about our fans.

Never thought I'd say that but here we are...

 

[DarwinSpur]

We need to give Conte time, but fans will continue to be frustrated if we keep starting the first half as we have been

Our first half against Liverpool was the best we've played this season despite the stupid scoreline.

If we'd played like we did against Marseille or Bournemouth I'd understand. But we didn't. So I don't. And neither does Conte apparently.

 

[Timberwolf]

It's a fucking embarrassment that Arsenal fans showed more support and faith in Arteta than we have so far with Conte. Even when Conte somehow took 4th from them last year from an impossible position.

They are now reaping the rewards.

They didn't.

Absolutely tons of their fans have been calling him Lego Head and Cone Boy since the day he joined and they've been bitterly arguing about how much of a fraud he is for years.

If you think the SC discourse around Conte is bad, in their darkest moments it's been 10x worse among Arsenal fans about Arteta.

The club were patient. Most Arsenal fans would've sacked him 5 times over if they had their way.

Honestly, the chat around Conte at the moment is absolutely nothing compared to Arsenal fans and Arteta. Most Spurs fans are still very much behind Conte (if frustrated about the style).

Arteta was practically a meme among their fanbase for the best part of 2 years.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I personally have just reached a real level of acceptance now. Yes things in games can frustrate me still, like Dier's mistake just recently but it's also really hit home for me just how much work the side needs still so I don't really go into games with the high expectations I maybe would have. You could maybe argue another manager may get us on the front foot more or playing more attractive football, for better or for worse, but we don't have another manager, we have Conte and he may require more specifics to his side to get what he wants but I feel like in the long term it will be well worth it and will yield better results than what most other managers could accomplish.

I think the difference this season is that there have been very few reminders of what a functioning 'Conte side' could look like whereas last season I felt like we saw a lot more patches of something that may resemble more of the 'finished product'.

I remember it picked up a bit more last season away to Leeds, when Sessegnon and Doherty both got forward really well that day and combined with a few wing back to wing back moves. I think around that period Conte even said our performances were starting to having more of his imprint in them or something along those lines but that's definitely not been the case for a lot of games this season. The Liverpool game for large periods felt like one of those few reminders.

Love this, so true mate.

The Liverpool game 2nd half did feel a lot more like how we played end of last season when the style of play was perfectly nice to watch, we’ve not seen it much this season but with some players back from injury and a few upgrades in Jan we should be rocking and rolling again ?

 

[Gilzeanking]

They didn't.

Absolutely tons of their fans have been calling him Lego Head and Cone Boy since the day he joined and they've been bitterly arguing about how much of a fraud he is for years.

If you think the SC discourse around Conte is bad, in their darkest moments it's been 10x worse among Arsenal fans about Arteta.

The club were patient. Most Arsenal fans would've sacked him 5 times over if they had their way.

Honestly, the chat around Conte at the moment is absolutely nothing compared to Arsenal fans and Arteta. Most Spurs fans are still very much behind Conte (if frustrated about the style).

Arteta was practically a meme among their fanbase for the best part of 2 years.

Yes, self flaggelation is alive and well with Spurs fans..

 

[DarwinSpur]

They didn't.

Absolutely tons of their fans have been calling him Lego Head and Cone Boy since the day he joined and they've been bitterly arguing about how much of a fraud he is for years.

If you think the SC discourse around Conte is bad, in their darkest moments it's been 10x worse among Arsenal fans about Arteta.

The club were patient. Most Arsenal fans would've sacked him 5 times over if they had their way.

Honestly, the chat around Conte at the moment is absolutely nothing compared to Arsenal fans and Arteta. Most Spurs fans are still very much behind Conte (if frustrated about the style).

Arteta was practically a meme among their fanbase for the best part of 2 years.

Like I said - ArseTV (and Twitter) isn't the fan base. The fan base is the stadium and the stadium never once turned on Arteta afaicr.

This tallies with my own experience of Arsenal fans who "trusted the process" even as I was mocking them for choking against us last year. They wouldn't bite. And now the tables are turning. And they're fucking LOVING us BOOING our own team.

It's embarrassing.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

They didn't.

Absolutely tons of their fans have been calling him Lego Head and Cone Boy since the day he joined and they've been bitterly arguing about how much of a fraud he is for years.

If you think the SC discourse around Conte is bad, in their darkest moments it's been 10x worse among Arsenal fans about Arteta.

The club were patient. Most Arsenal fans would've sacked him 5 times over if they had their way.

Honestly, the chat around Conte at the moment is absolutely nothing compared to Arsenal fans and Arteta. Most Spurs fans are still very much behind Conte (if frustrated about the style).

Arteta was practically a meme among their fanbase for the best part of 2 years.

Yep so true about 80% of Arsenal fans would’ve had him sacked about 5x over if it was down to then, the odd rare breed intelligent one kept faith but most of them gave up on him several times over especially at the start of last season when they were 0 pts from 3 games and also at the end of last season when they bottled top 4 to us.

The difference is with Arteta he’s generally tried to play more front foot pressing higher possession higher chance creation dominating football so when it did work in patches it was exciting, whereas with Conte when it doesn’t work it due to injuries or lack of player quality etc it can be a real hard watch, but none of our fans are calling for Conte’s head that would be madness, most just want our performances to go back more to how they were at the back end of last season, I believe they will post World Cup and with some additions in Jan.

 

[Timberwolf]

Like I said - ArseTV (and Twitter) isn't the fan base. The fan base is the stadium and the stadium never once turned on Arteta afaicr.

This tallies with my own experience of Arsenal fans who "trusted the process" even as I was mocking them for choking against us last year. They wouldn't bite. And now the tables are turning. And they're fucking LOVING us BOOING our own team.

It's embarrassing.

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[fishhhandaricecake]

Our first half against Liverpool was the best we've played this season despite the stupid scoreline.

If we'd played like we did against Marseille or Bournemouth I'd understand. But we didn't. So I don't. And neither does Conte apparently.

The first half against Liverpool was appalling mate we had 2 shots got pushed back most the half, 35% possession and aside from the Perisic header and a debatable ‘penalty’ on sess we offered fuck all threat and creativity.

The 2nd half yes we looked much more like the team at the end of last season that won a lot of matches and played on the whole good football.

 

[carmeldevil]

Even after starting last season with 3 losses in a row I don't recall Arteta being questioned weekly by journos on half time booing by the stadium they are supposed to be getting "support" from.

Don't remember Arsemania being all Arteta out. In fact the majority were quite happy to "trust the process" - even while we were mocking that very phrase.

ArseTV isn't the Arsenal fanbase. Unfortunately...

Ah so anecdotal ok.