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[spursfan77]

I don’t think many are saying they aren’t good enough. What they see is a group of players that have downed tools

There are a number of reasons for this, one of which we keep reading. 'Poch works us too hard'

IMO he wasn’t backed re getting rid of players due to contracts etc and now the dressing room is ruling the roost

That and not buying players because they weren’t his first choice. He’s part of why the squad is apparently so stale. It’s why we need him to be the coach and someone else bringing the players in.

 

[skaz04nik]

I can’t believe people are still buying this “players aren’t good enough” line. It’s not true

Are we watching different teams?

We have 3rd/4th best attack in league, average midfield and poor defense. And no DM. And no playmaker. And injured GK

- 2 players clearly want out and have zero motivation to perform (Eriksen, Toby)
- 3 turned to complete crap (Verts, Rose, Aurier) - please don't tell me it's formation, these individual mistakes are unacceptable
- 2 would be nowhere near starting XI for any other top6 club (Winks, Sissoko)
- 1 lost his form (Alli)
- 2 newbies injured
- no solid DM (Wanyama is deadwood)
- GK injured
- potential replacements too young or not ready (c) Poch

 

[spursfan77]

Are we watching different teams?

We have 3rd/4th best attack in league, average midfield and poor defense. And no DM. And no playmaker. And injured GK

- 2 players clearly want out and have zero motivation to perform (Eriksen, Toby)
- 3 turned to complete crap (Verts, Rose, Aurier) - please don't tell me it's formation, these individual mistakes are unacceptable
- 2 would be nowhere near starting XI for any other top6 club (Winks, Sissoko)
- 1 lost his form (Alli)
- 2 newbies injured
- no solid DM (Wanyama is deadwood)
- GK injured
- potential replacements too young or not ready (c) Poch

Whilst I do agree with parts of your post, they all go away on international duty recently and they play well. As soon as they return to us they go back to being shit. There’s a reason for that and it’s not the players’ ability.

 

[skaz04nik]

I doubt you could directly compare internationals and club business...

With all respect Belgium and England were playing against very, very poor teams (San fucking Marino)
And Sissoko was terrible for FRA

Eriksen was good but I think his situation is very special, he just doesn't give a shit for Spurs

Haven't watched the others

 

[skaz04nik]

sausage

I lost you. I think we were discussing could a top club bring 6 new players per window

Btw Manchini won title and cup, Pellegrini won a title and a cup (or even 2?), Pep won 2 titles and cups Then some of them won supercups
Yes they were sacked as City and Pool have very, very high expectations. They weren't sacked because they spent money on players

But they won all this and were successful because they bough top quality players, yes not all of them (but majority) have become the 1st team

Of 6-9 players I have mentioned not all would become 1st team or direct subs. Btw not too many are sent off, typically 50-80% signings end up either 1st team or subs

But clearly we would have much stronger squad now and less deadwood

I am repeating myself but academy players are not a decisive factor at all (3-4 maybe up to 5-6 folks in 25 player squad, of which not more than 2 are regular starters), the core part is top class international players. Once again - we have 3 pure academy lads and 2 more who were brought very young so here we are doing well

 

[LeParisien]

And Sissoko was terrible for FRA

Nitpicking but he wasn’t - he was very good.

 

[yiddopaul]

I'm in the middle of watching 'Schitt's Creek' on Netflix. Just noticed the Executive producer's (?) name is Daniel Levy. Just saying.

 

[skaz04nik]

Nitpicking but he wasn’t - he was very good.

Against Turkey? 0_o

 

[carmeldevil]

ENIC to implement their own corporate culture study for Poch at the hotel in Hotspur Way Training Ground?

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Is there a chance that Levy has lost his mojo now the training ground and stadium are complete?

Maybe he’s an infrastructure monster and struggles with the more mundane day to day issues of dealing with squad issues!!

The way the top brass have allowed this situation to carry on and grow is almost negligent

When you consider what a great job the club had previously done in regards to contracts it is pretty remarkable where we find ourselves today

Every part of the club seems to be sleep walking into mid table obscurity of even worse!

Maybe the NFL franchise will save us!!

 

[Stamford]

Are we watching different teams?

We have 3rd/4th best attack in league, average midfield and poor defense. And no DM. And no playmaker. And injured GK

- 2 players clearly want out and have zero motivation to perform (Eriksen, Toby)
- 3 turned to complete crap (Verts, Rose, Aurier) - please don't tell me it's formation, these individual mistakes are unacceptable
- 2 would be nowhere near starting XI for any other top6 club (Winks, Sissoko)
- 1 lost his form (Alli)
- 2 newbies injured
- no solid DM (Wanyama is deadwood)
- GK injured
- potential replacements too young or not ready (c) Poch

All true and yet he should still be doing better. This team isn't good enough to win something but odd far better than What's being served up at the moment. There isn't even a consistent style or pattern of play and that comes from poch

 

[skaz04nik]

All true and yet he should still be doing better. This team isn't good enough to win something but odd far better than What's being served up at the moment. There isn't even a consistent style or pattern of play and that comes from poch

I think Poch is anyway finished and it's only a question of time.

Whilst Levy is still here and deserves a lot of criticism (even more than Poch in my opinion). I was also shocked to read that Levy was very fond of Eddie fucking Howe, I can easily imagine players like Kane will not even listen to him

 

[dontcallme]

Is there a chance that Levy has lost his mojo now the training ground and stadium are complete?

Maybe he’s an infrastructure monster and struggles with the more mundane day to day issues of dealing with squad issues!!

The way the top brass have allowed this situation to carry on and grow is almost negligent

When you consider what a great job the club had previously done in regards to contracts it is pretty remarkable where we find ourselves today

Every part of the club seems to be sleep walking into mid table obscurity of even worse!

Maybe the NFL franchise will save us!!

Will be interesting to see where we go from here.

When Levy took over he identified our biggest issues were our infrastructure was weak and as a result our turnover was considerably lower than the teams we wanted to compete with.

Next our management system was all wrong and it didn't seem to matter who we hired the results were still the same.

The infrastructure was a long term project and outside of paying it off the major works are complete.

I always feel Levy wanted the DOF system to work out. This meant Levy could concentrate on his areas of expertise and there was someone to look over thefootball side of things.

Unfortunately Arnesen left us for Chelsea then Comolli hired a head coach who took us to a relegation fight and the successor was a manager who didn't want a DOF.

Now the infrastructure is in place our next area for growth is surely improving the team and gaining money through on field success.

How Levy sees that happeing is anyone's guess.

I feel the DOF system suits us. We are struggling in part because we haven't bought well, or sometimes at all, in recent years. Bringing in someone to get the conveyor belt of talent into the club has to be the next step.

Hope Levy is up to the task.

 

[sausage]

Moving this here....

Unaccounted was the wrong description. So please show me the cash injection from Levy and ENIC, I'll wait.

In 2015 the club showed zero debt - this is after all the land was purchased and cleared, all businesses had moved, Hotspur way purchased etc. So, it's pretty basic stuff to deduce that the club had no financial liabilities towards ENIC prior to this. Based on the state of the club when ENIC came in, and our revenue prior to a few seasons ago, it's pretty much on the level of Occam's razor that we have been either incredulously well-run, or that debt and investment has been achieved through creative accounting. Beyond that, we've made a year-on-year improvement pretty much since they took over, which multiplies the achievement.

I don't believe it is possible to achieve what has been achieved with no investment from ownership - to suggest otherwise is surely the ultimate compliment to DL.

 

[Dillspur]

Moving this here....



In 2015 the club showed zero debt - this is after all the land was purchased and cleared, all businesses had moved, Hotspur way purchased etc. So, it's pretty basic stuff to deduce that the club had no financial liabilities towards ENIC prior to this. Based on the state of the club when ENIC came in, and our revenue prior to a few seasons ago, it's pretty much on the level of Occam's razor that we have been either incredulously well-run, or that debt and investment has been achieved through creative accounting. Beyond that, we've made a year-on-year improvement pretty much since they took over, which multiplies the achievement.

I don't believe it is possible to achieve what has been achieved with no investment from ownership - to suggest otherwise is surely the ultimate compliment to DL.

This is just going round in circles, we are a very well run club and I credit that to Levy. But you are not backing up your statement, you don't believe what we've achieved is possible without investment from the ownership, from memory they issued a stock purchase a few ago and that's it. Back up you statement that we have received investment from ENIC other than the initial purchase of the club and the stock purchase (or whatever it was). And the club wasn't in a terrible way (financially) when they brought from Sugar.

 

[sausage]

This is just going round in circles, we are a very well run club and I credit that to Levy. But you are not backing up your statement, you don't believe what we've achieved is possible without investment from the ownership, from memory they issued a stock purchase a few ago and that's it. Back up you statement that we have received investment from ENIC other than the initial purchase of the club and the stock purchase (or whatever it was). And the club wasn't in a terrible way (financially) when they brought from Sugar.

That statement was never made (except for in your head maybe).

I said I don't believe it has all been possible without investment. I can easily ask for you to prove that they haven't invested.

 

[Dillspur]

That statement was never made (except for in your head maybe).

I said I don't believe it has all been possible without investment. I can easily ask for you to prove that they haven't invested.

I'll bite, but after this I'm done. We just restructured nearly £700m in stadium loans, would we need to do this if we were receiving investment from ENIC to pay for the stadium.

 

[Trotter]

That statement was never made (except for in your head maybe).

I said I don't believe it has all been possible without investment. I can easily ask for you to prove that they haven't invested.

Proof is easy, just look at the accounts.
No directors loans, no increase in share capital.
It totally has been done without any investment other than rights issues, and we haven't had one of them in about a decade.

It is what happens when you have wages at 39% of turnover (next lowest team in Premier League is 50%), don't spend any significant money on acquisitions and have consistently over-achieved in League and Champions League in recent years, and have 60k plus mugs (well that is how I feel about the value for money we are getting) turn up week in, week out.

Our revenue base is up there with Chelsea and Arsenal, our cost base is at Everton level, and Levy keeps the difference, that is how we roll.

 

[coys200]

This just kind of dawned on me when people say we won’t actually spend the extra revenue on players. Well then what will they do with it ? They don’t take a dividend. The stadium has been refinanced. So unless they build up a massive cash reserve which lets face it they ain’t gonna get away with, what option is left but to spend it on players and wages.

 

[tiger666]

This just kind of dawned on me when people say we won’t actually spend the extra revenue on players. Well then what will they do with it ? They don’t take a dividend. The stadium has been refinanced. So unless they build up a massive cash reserve which lets face it they ain’t gonna get away with, what option is left but to spend it on players and wages.

Some people seem to think Enic/Levy are pocketing the cash ..