ENIC...

[GutBucket]

Leicester in winter 15/16 signed two players. They played 278 minutes combined, starting 2 games.

That's 278 minutes less for someone else keeping them more fresh for the end of the season, also precaution in case of injuries.

 

[JCRD]

Just to state the obvious, less debt is better for the club. Just to state the obvious, the more successful the team, will he more profit they can get when they sell.

Results on the pitch have improved since they’ve been in charge. An inconvenient truth.

Is that the same Liverpool who only spent 10m this season? Whose two signings have yet to play for the club? Who made 30m surplus in the transfer market?

They seem to have done ok.

Yes, they invested significantly and well in previous years but it is evidence that one season of no effective spending will not sink a club...

More profit maybe - but less more attractive to buy because there is less growth to achieve... Im not an investor but if there is not much room to grow then an investor wouldnt buy the club.

Im sure someone will perhaps call me stupid (and youre a **** whoever it is ) but why would Levy and Enic want us to be successful? They want the infrastructure to be successful and maybe a cup thats about it...

 

[DiVaio]

I do wonder about this tbh. You said: "He was repeatedly given bargain basement alternatives to the players he actually wanted. Njie, Janssen, Nkoudou, Aurier, Sissoko as a right winger, none of them were his top choices and none of them worked out."

but there appears to be an assumption in there about Poch which essentially has come to mean:

"Because none of them worked out, they were not his top choices"

Its funny how so many of our fans blame the shit players as Levy signings and laud the good ones as Poch signings. That might well be the case, but Ive seen little to no evidence of it.

About Aurier is funny, he was linked with us by RMC(who are reliable) earlier and was more expensive option than Pereira.

 

[HedgieSpur]

About Aurier is funny, he was linked with us by RMC(who are reliable) earlier and was more expensive option than Pereira.

So are you saying he was a Poch or Levy signing?

 

[Metalhead]

More profit maybe - but less more attractive to buy because there is less growth to achieve... Im not an investor but if there is not much room to grow then an investor wouldnt buy the club.

Im sure someone will perhaps call me stupid (and youre a **** whoever it is ) but why would Levy and Enic want us to be successful? They want the infrastructure to be successful and maybe a cup thats about it...

What do you mean when you say that they want the infrastructure to be successful but you question why they would want to be successful? I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

 

[DiVaio]

So are you saying he was a Poch or Levy signing?

I',m just saying that for sure he wasn't "bargain basement alternatives to the players he actually wanted".

 

[HedgieSpur]

I',m just saying that for sure he wasn't "bargain basement alternatives to the players he actually wanted".

I see...yes Im not sure I subscribe to that argument either. Its all rather too convenient to blame rubbish singings on Levy and exonerate Poch

 

[nedley]

There have been mistakes, though hindsight is 20/20, people complaining we didn't get Fernandes in the summer, for example. A large section of fans really didn't want Fernandes, they didn't think he was that good. But I guess Levy and the team were supposed to predict he was.

The no transfer window was not a good thing, and didn't help anyone, but I think, even that was more complicated to just pin it on the board. Levy is flawed, I think he is too quick to change direction, he loves the a DoF being one of the first clubs in the UK to introduce one, then he scraps it and all that, managers as well. He has frustrating way of dealing with transfers, but yet we have been able to create a strong team. The thing is though, unlike most teams, ENIC's Tottenham has more or less developed in a straight line, with very few long lasting set backs, normally a season at most. I have attached a retro looking chart showing how our position as a club has changed under ENIC

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Absolute horse. There is no hindsight about it.

The mistakes have literally been made in front of our eyes.

 

[AberdeenYid]

More profit maybe - but less more attractive to buy because there is less growth to achieve... Im not an investor but if there is not much room to grow then an investor wouldnt buy the club.

Im sure someone will perhaps call me stupid (and youre a **** whoever it is ) but why would Levy and Enic want us to be successful? They want the infrastructure to be successful and maybe a cup thats about it...

In my years of reading ENJC bashing threads, I have to say this is the first post that’s got me thinking there may be a case for the prosecution.

So if we became the side we all want to be, stacked with top players, sweeping all before us, we’d be a less viable proposition to sell? Surely we’d be worth more money, although I understand the pool of potential suitors would be much more shallow.

I’d always just thought that the more successful we were, the higher the sale price would be. Hadn’t thought of the growth aspect. Still not convinced it’s a correct theory, but worth considering.

And it only stands if another investment company were to take the plunge. If we were looking at selling to a nation state, we need to be as successful as possible, no?

 

[JCRD]

What do you mean when you say that they want the infrastructure to be successful but you question why they would want to be successful? I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

Sorry my bad, i mean having an infrastucture in place i.e. training ground, stadium, naming rights etc in order to be successful but not yet successful... a bit like planning permission when buying a house... you got everything but that missing piece which is really the squad

 

[JCRD]

In my years of reading ENJC bashing threads, I have to say this is the first post that’s got me thinking there may be a case for the prosecution.

So if we became the side we all want to be, stacked with top players, sweeping all before us, we’d be a less viable proposition to sell? Surely we’d be worth more money, although I understand the pool of potential suitors would be much more shallow.

I’d always just thought that the more successful we were, the higher the sale price would be. Hadn’t thought of the growth aspect. Still not convinced it’s a correct theory, but worth considering.

And it only stands if another investment company were to take the plunge. If we were looking at selling to a nation state, we need to be as successful as possible, no?

I do some property and what I look for is somethign that has potential to grow my investment, if a house is all done up with no possibility to expand and to do it up, then for me it isnt viable because id buy it but wouldnt make much out of it because of the limited growth opportunities. That is how I see how investors would view us, there are still opportunities for growth so we become much more viable than if we, as you say, swept up anything and everything...

I may be totally wrong but just seeing it from my own lense. We are the most valuable club this year I read somewhere and as someone mentione din this thread earlier, who would you buy as an investor - Newcastle or Spurs? I would say Newcastle - still have the fan base, the potential, the value in the club...

Are there any other nation states - I dont know. Most of them would be Arab countried I am assuming and would they buy a club where the fan base has a vast jewish section as it were - I digress but I dont know. Just dont and wouldnt know why you would price yourself out of selling by becoming a powerhouse

 

[Metalhead]

Sorry my bad, i mean having an infrastucture in place i.e. training ground, stadium, naming rights etc in order to be successful but not yet successful... a bit like planning permission when buying a house... you got everything but that missing piece which is really the squad

Oh I see. At the moment clearly the jury is out as to whether the extra revenue will mean a relative increase in the budget for the playing squad. I’d like to think that it will (we all do) but it’ll be several years before we will know.

 

[Metalhead]

I do some property and what I look for is somethign that has potential to grow my investment, if a house is all done up with no possibility to expand and to do it up, then for me it isnt viable because id buy it but wouldnt make much out of it because of the limited growth opportunities. That is how I see how investors would view us, there are still opportunities for growth so we become much more viable than if we, as you say, swept up anything and everything...

I may be totally wrong but just seeing it from my own lense. We are the most valuable club this year I read somewhere and as someone mentione din this thread earlier, who would you buy as an investor - Newcastle or Spurs? I would say Newcastle - still have the fan base, the potential, the value in the club...

Yes, obviously Newcastle have the potential to provide a bigger return. I guess that we could still be an attractive proposition like United were for the Glaziers although obviously they bought the club by leveraging the debt against the club.

 

[JCRD]

Yes, obviously Newcastle have the potential to provide a bigger return. I guess that we could still be an attractive proposition like United were for the Glaziers although obviously they bought the club by leveraging the debt against the club.

Exactly and you hear Man Utd fans complaining constantly about the Glaziers and them not spending much. Although they clearly have but thats more to do with them being a commercial powerhouse in football...

 

[mpickard2087]

The trophy argument is a funny one because I can definitely think of good opportunities we’ve had that have been wasted by bad tactical or player mistakes.

- losing the league cup final to Blackburn under Hoddle when we were clearly the better side.
- Being beaten by Portsmouth in the FA cup semi final when we were far superior and would have then just had to beat Cardiff in the final.
- Being beaten by Chelsea in the FA Cup semi after dominating them but every shot of theirs went in and Poch made the weird decision of playing Son at wing back.
- Dominating Man U in a FA Cup semi only to lose focus in the second half and lose 2-1 from being 1-0 up.

In all these incidents we were the better side both on the day and in paper but lapses of concentration or tactical failings meant we didn’t win the trophy or progress to a final which would have given a good opportunity to win a trophy. Can these failings really be blamed on the ownership?

Spot on but...

Left out two semi finals vs. Chelsea where the killer goal was scored in exactly the same way. Corner falling to a totally unmarked man on the edge of the box to rifle home. That's just desperately poor stuff and players/coaches not learning.

The CL final, they had three weeks to work on stuff... I mean plenty of time to, if ever it was needed, drill the classic boring mantra of 'start well, be on it from the whistle, win your first challenge, lay a marker down, etc' and get the mentality spot on. What did we get within 30 seconds, Liverpool win the first half a dozen challenges 6-0, one of our players gets caught out of position already when we haven't even left our half, so they get in behind and attack our penalty area, and a penalty happens.

Unfortunately the reason we haven't won trophies is largely down to lack of attention to detail, fine margins make the difference so often in all sport and you have to be across them, or standing up to be counted in the absolute crunch moments. That's on those involved, and almost always has had fuck all to do with strategy, vision, transfer dealings, talent level, quality of football, etc.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I love how as fans we have completely wiped out the league cup final of '15 ....

 

[DiVaio]

Absolute horse. There is no hindsight about it.

The mistakes have literally been made in front of our eyes.

So which transfers were mistakes even without hindsight?

 

[Matthew]

So that makes this stupid stunt OK?

where in my post did I say it was okay? I wa shuts pointing out it’s not gonna make a difference to fans of rival clubs “laughing at us” cos they already are:

 

[AberdeenYid]

I do some property and what I look for is somethign that has potential to grow my investment, if a house is all done up with no possibility to expand and to do it up, then for me it isnt viable because id buy it but wouldnt make much out of it because of the limited growth opportunities. That is how I see how investors would view us, there are still opportunities for growth so we become much more viable than if we, as you say, swept up anything and everything...

I may be totally wrong but just seeing it from my own lense. We are the most valuable club this year I read somewhere and as someone mentione din this thread earlier, who would you buy as an investor - Newcastle or Spurs? I would say Newcastle - still have the fan base, the potential, the value in the club...

Are there any other nation states - I dont know. Most of them would be Arab countried I am assuming and would they buy a club where the fan base has a vast jewish section as it were - I digress but I dont know. Just dont and wouldnt know why you would price yourself out of selling by becoming a powerhouse

Fully agree with all that. But if I’m your client, I’m not wanting a do-er upper home for half a mill, I’m wanting a fully finished one for a mill to show off to my pals. Think what the point is is that we are presently attractive to an investment company, but if we were to become truly succesful, we’d only be attractive to a show off. Saying that, the value of clubs like Real, Barcelona, Juventus - don’t they keep rising?

On the point of the horse punchers, yes, they’d be much cheaper to buy, but can you imaging the money they’d have to spend and the years that would take to get up to a title challenge? Eye watering.

 

[danielneeds]

Fully agree with all that. But if I’m your client, I’m not wanting a do-er upper home for half a mill, I’m wanting a fully finished one for a mill to show off to my pals. Think what the point is is that we are presently attractive to an investment company, but if we were to become truly succesful, we’d only be attractive to a show off. Saying that, the value of clubs like Real, Barcelona, Juventus - don’t they keep rising?

On the point of the horse punchers, yes, they’d be much cheaper to buy, but can you imaging the money they’d have to spend and the years that would take to get up to a title challenge? Eye watering.

Buying Newcastle for £300m and spending £500m on the squad would still br much, much cheaper than buying us.