ENIC in or out?

[NEVILLEB]

So we were all rosy before ENIC? That's common sense to you?

Nothing in my post mentioned Alan Sugar. You are arguing with yourself.

 

[Shadydan]

Nothing in my post mentioned Alan Sugar. You are arguing with yourself.

No, you said

There is a flaw in our club since Enic took over and it’s not the Manager.

Insinuating that everything was okay pre Enic and since they've come in this has been a flawed tenure, it's not what you said, it's what you're insinuating.

So compare where we were pre Enic to now what flaws can you see particularly compared to the previous regime.

 

[NEVILLEB]

This is where your black and white argument falls down. We have improved on and off the pitch since ENIC took over.

I can understand people thinking we could be doing even better or more funds need to be available to the first team squad but making out things are terrible under ENIC makes posts look one sided nonsense rather than adults weighing up a situation in a balanced, fair way.

I didn't say we hadn't improved.

I didn't say things were terrible under ENIC.

Try reading exactly what was posted instead of making it up.

There is nothing balanced or fair about your response and it's pathetic that your response is arrogant enough to suggest adults conduct themselves differently. Listen to any of the broadcasts on at the moment and you will see that outside of this forum people are able to see that a lack of investment has undermined Pochettino. That's just COMMON SENSE.

 

[NEVILLEB]

No, you said

Insinuating that everything was okay pre Enic and since they've come in this has been a flawed tenure, it's not what you said, it's what you're insinuating.

So compare where we were pre Enic to now what flaws can you see particularly compared to the previous regime.

Oh so now I was insinuating!

I either said it or I didn't. And I didn't.

 

[Shadydan]

Oh so now I was insinuating!

I either said it or I didn't. And I didn't.

Fucking hell, okay cool.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

ENIC bought themselves time they didn’t have appointing Mourinho. So Enic in for now. Go out and win the CL and the sell the club.

 

[dontcallme]

I didn't say we hadn't improved.

I didn't say things were terrible under ENIC.

Try reading exactly what was posted instead of making it up.

There is nothing balanced or fair about your response and it's pathetic that your response is arrogant enough to suggest adults conduct themselves differently. Listen to any of the broadcasts on at the moment and you will see that outside of this forum people are able to see that a lack of investment has undermined Pochettino. That's just COMMON SENSE.

My point is your posts never come across as balanced. They just say ENIC bad, manager not at fault.

The post you responded said it is fair to say more funds could have been put into the first team squad.

I have never read a post from you giving a balanced view. You just talk about the bad from one party, usually ENIC.

 

[dontcallme]

ENIC bought themselves time they didn’t have appointing Mourinho. So Enic in for now. Go out and win the CL and the sell the club.

Mourinho is certainly an ambitious move. Many thought we would look to a cheaper, lower profile manager like Howe or a manager making a step up from a league with considerably less funds.

Mourinho is a big name manager known for spending. Seems a strange and expensive hiring if he is not going to get supported.

If Mourinho fails then Levy's position becomes weaker.

 

[NEVILLEB]

My point is your posts never come across as balanced. They just say ENIC bad, manager not at fault.

The post you responded said it is fair to say more funds could have been put into the first team squad.

I have never read a post from you giving a balanced view. You just talk about the bad from one party, usually ENIC.

What I said is echoed by ex players, ex managers and across news outlets.

There was a lack of investment in the squad which hasn't been noted in Levy's statement about results not being good enough.

This is basic, simple stuff.

It's just that you are so scared of the truth that you can't hear it.

Bye!

 

[markiespurs]

I voted in for now

Rightly or wrongly, Enic have clearly prioritised putting In place the infrastructure needed for the club to succeed and financially compete with the big boys (the two oil backed clubs excluded). It’s been a long slog, but with our academy, state of the art training ground and the new stadium now complete and generating money, that infrastructure is now in place and I hope and believe that we will see a different Enic as the only realistic way they can increase the value of the club now is to invest more into the first team and turn us into a title and trophy winning team.

 

[EastLondonYid]

How can bringing in a new coach on 15m a year ,who is an egotistic serial winner not be seen as ambitious?

Enic in , ofc.....

Enic -DL make many mistakes, but lack of ambition ? i don't believe so.

 

[dontcallme]

How can bringing in a new coach on 15m a year ,who is an egotistic serial winner not be seen as ambitious?

Enic in , ofc.....

Enic -DL make many mistakes, but lack of ambition ? i don't believe so.

I agree. I think there's a stronger argument that ENIC ask too much from managers with not enough backing.

 

[Flashspur]

ENIC are in this for the long haul. The PL is where the big boys play now and with its history and cache, its only going to get bigger. Plus there is the infrastructure, the NFL tie up etc. Its a long term strategy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

 

[EastLondonYid]

I agree. I think there's a stronger argument that ENIC ask too much from managers with not enough backing.

Agree.........

ENIC will be really judged in the next few seasons when the real money starts to pour in, then we will see without the financial restrictions of the stadium build put on us, if they back the new coaches with real money to get us to the summit.

For what its worth, i really believe they will, i can't believe they built this stadium for us to be playing europa football or not winning titles, we will see., failing that, they would be looking to sell for huge dollars.

 

[DogsOfWar]

I didn't say we hadn't improved.

I didn't say things were terrible under ENIC.

Try reading exactly what was posted instead of making it up.

There is nothing balanced or fair about your response and it's pathetic that your response is arrogant enough to suggest adults conduct themselves differently. Listen to any of the broadcasts on at the moment and you will see that outside of this forum people are able to see that a lack of investment has undermined Pochettino. That's just COMMON SENSE.

My problem with this argument is he has spent 58 million on Janssen, GNK, and Sissoko.
110 million on Sanchez, Gazzaniga, Foyth, Aurier, Moura, and Llorente.
100 million on Sess, Lo Celso, Ndombele, and Clarke.

That's 268 million on an entire starting eleven, plus two subs, and not one is a nailed on first choice.

It's not the amount spent but his inability to adequately replace Walker/Dembele, and now Rose, Eriksen, Toby, and Jan that's been the problem as 268 million should have been more than enough for that.

 

[pagevee]

This is nonsense. I've only been following Spurs since 2003; however, the difference in performance and players from 2003-2019 is massive. The difference in Training facilities and Stadium is massive. The difference in expectations is massive based on actual improvements made to the club under ENIC.

Are they perfect? No, they piss me off with how they handle transitions from Jol to Harry to Poch.... especially Jol. That doesn't outweigh the improvements in my opinion and any response demeaning the long-term improvements made to the club based on these transitions is strictly an emotionally charged short-sighted response.

Also, I didn't forget about the transfer budget. Enic obviously prioritized the long-term improvements OVER the short-term transfer budget issues. Cultivating the Academy seems to be a part of that strategy to supplement the lack of transfer budget and guess what, it worked. In addition, they did this without killing the club with debt like Leeds, the Glazers seem to be doing, or Liverpool's previous owners.

The squad, facilities, and expected performance are levels above the 2003 team.

 

[yido_number1]

I've always been pro Levy and Enic. The changes they've made to the club over time are unbelievable but to take the next step and actually win something we need the next level of owner. Mourinho won't be able to do what he can on the budget Poch had and if Levy interferes in what he wants to do it won't last long. Time to sell now the stadium and facilities are built, let someone else come in that can do the same on the pitch.

 

[yankspurs]

My problem with this argument is he has spent 58 million on Janssen, GNK, and Sissoko.
110 million on Sanchez, Gazzaniga, Foyth, Aurier, Moura, and Llorente.
100 million on Sess, Lo Celso, Ndombele, and Clarke.

That's 268 million on an entire starting eleven, plus two subs, and not one is a nailed on first choice.

It's not the amount spent but his inability to adequately replace Walker/Dembele, and now Rose, Eriksen, Toby, and Jan that's been the problem as 268 million should have been more than enough for that.

In 5.5 years, Levy invested ~£100m in the playing squad. The rest were made up by sales.

 

[DogsOfWar]

In 5.5 years, Levy invested ~£100m in the playing squad. The rest were made up by sales.

That's immaterial, Poch still spent 268 million on 13 players who have yet to make the grade.

Liverpool sold Coutinho and bought Alisson, VVD, and Shakiri for the money. It's a net spend of practically zero but took them up a level.

We were clever with our sales to generate 168 million but not with our incomings which was the problem.

 

[Beni]

Personally not too fussed about the Net spend debate. We have spent a lot of money, but people don't see this as all they see is Net. For instance, we have broken our transfer record 4 times, in last 3 years and it doesn't matter what we have sold to negate our net spend.
It would be different if we were having to sell our best players every year to buy players. None of the players sold, have been a sale of one of our top players to fund other transfers. The £100mil or so we have recouped in player sales are all players that have not improved since leaving us, or gone on to bigger and better things, since the Bale, Modric and Berbatov sagas. Maybe exception of Walker, who obviously has won trophies, but wouldn't say he is a better player now than he was playing with us.

The fact of the matter is, we spend money but obviously we need to balance that with sales, because like all clubs that don't have an oil billionnaire as an owner, all are a business that have shareholders.
So in order to recoup more money to fund improving the playing staff, he has built the state of the art training facilities, promoted our club to top brands to get highly paid sponsorship deals, and built one of the best stadiums in the world.

Now here is where I am with Levy. If that has been done, and it now allows us to spend big on wages and fees etc in order to compete, then great, he needs to stay. If not, then we cannot realistically achieve the next level and compete with Man City, Chelsea etc on an uneven financial playing field.

So I am willing to give what the new stadium will offer us some time to reap rewards before I make a judgement on Levys motives on how he will use the extra income. Who knows what Levys vision is, but it is a vision that Mourinho is very excited about, as he has said that is what sold it to him to take the job. Along with being paid the 2nd most expensive manager in the league.