Daniel Levy the common denominator in Tottenham’s endless managerial farce

[mawspurs]

Like the proverbial tree falling in the forest, or the sound of no hands clapping, the prospect of Antonio Conte not joining Tottenham Hotspur has a certain paradoxical quality to it.

Source: Guardian

 

[Metalhead]

Unfortunately the tale of someone with undoubted expertise in a particular area who constantly dabbles in an area where he has less expertise even after having been involved for over two decades.

I'm not sure that the analogy will be recognised by everyone but for anyone familiar with the heady world of wrestling/sports entertainment, he reminds me a bit of the CEO Vince McMahon who is undoubtedly a genius in terms of promoting that particular genre but often seems to struggle when dabbling in other industries and yet continues to do so.

 

[UbeAstard]

Hes doing OK for me, its the managers who have let him and us down.

 

[Japhet]

The only one I have a big problem with is appointing Mourinho (and sacking Jol the way he did). What a complete clusterfuck that was. Everything about it panned out exactly as I thought it would. We're now in a complete shambles and are not a particularly attractive prospect for the next incumbent, but up until then I think Levy did OK. Maybe it was as much luck as judgement, particularly ending up with Poch instead of Van Gaal. He does however seem to be beguiled by big names and would never take a chance on somebody like Graham Potter unless there was no alternative. I'm glad he's stepping back from the football side of things though with Paratichi coming in.

 

[UbeAstard]

The only one I have a big problem with is appointing Mourinho (and sacking Jol the way he did). What a complete clusterfuck that was. Everything about it panned out exactly as I thought it would. We're now in a complete shambles and are not a particularly attractive prospect for the next incumbent, but up until then I think Levy did OK. Maybe it was as much luck as judgement, particularly ending up with Poch instead of Van Gaal. He does however seem to be beguiled by big names and would never take a chance on somebody like Graham Potter unless there was no alternative. I'm glad he's stepping back from the football side of things though with Paratichi coming in.

I dont disagree with anything you say here, must remember though there were a lot of fans wanting Mourinho and saying something similar to what has been said about Conte (serial winner) and disregarding how that manager would fit into Spurs. Its easy to see how Levy could have thought the same.

 

[Shadydan]

He has trouble sticking to a coherent plan, he's like the meme with the guy walking with the girl who turns around and sees another woman. He said that we're looking to play aggressive front foot football and go back to our traditions yet the minute Conte flutters his toupee he get's distracted.

This is the problem - he talks a good game but when it comes down to it there's no consistency, if you look at the type of managers we've hired we've bounced from Project Manager to a win now manager every other appointment. I think he gets blinded by the lights too easily and thinks he can replicate what other clubs have done when the truth is that he needs to stick to the ideals of the club.

 

[Japhet]

I dont disagree with anything you say here, must remember though there were a lot of fans wanting Mourinho and saying something similar to what has been said about Conte (serial winner) and disregarding how that manager would fit into Spurs. Its easy to see how Levy could have thought the same.

The whole 'serial winner' thing is a crock of shit as far as I'm concerned. To succeed in the EPL you either need a bottomless pit of money or a freakish run of good luck as per Leicester. Cup competitions sometimes throw out anomolies but that's largely due to the biggest clubs concentrating on something else. I have no idea whether Conte could succeed here or more precisely, whether he can keep a lid on his own temperament to last long enough to build something. Levy seems to be heading for full on appeasement mode again, which is what he did appointing Mourinho. Nobody has the patience to build anything, mainly because we're always competing with teams that simply buy their success. Us trying to play the same game is really quite stupid in my opinion and we should accept that we've only been successful in any measure recently when Poch was given much, (not all), of what he needed to build from the ground up.

 

[mumfordspur]

Hes doing OK for me, its the managers who have let him and us down.

Well then in my eyes you are an idiot

 

[Shadydan]

Well then in my eyes you are an idiot

Why the personals?

 

[Marty]

Well then in my eyes you are an idiot

Why the personals?

The problem with internet discourse summed up in one sentence.

"Well then, in my eyes you are wrong" is a perfectly good way to attack a person's opinion.
"Well then, in my eyes you are an idiot" is an unnecessary attack on the person themselves.

Unfortunately internet discourse is filled with the latter and far too little of the former.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Love how much we all have to say on situations that we know, what, maybe 10% of the facts and details? Maybe a wee bit less?

I have NO IDEA why the Conte thing didn't work out, only fifteen different reasons all delivered as "fact" by various sources.

Point as evidence - Poch going and Jose coming in was like greased teflon. It's obvious talks had been ongoing behind the scenes with Jose but both Poch's sacking and Jose coming in went almost under the radar until, literally, the last minute. Where were all these sources at that stage? I'm not convinced that there as many fingers on pulses as there claims to be, which leads me to doubt whether I know all the ins and outs.

Yeah, he's cocked up here and there but we crow "make the money available!" then, when he does, we can't get deals over the line for... "reasons" again. We don't know those reasons - could be contractual, could be legal obligations, sponsors, pay offs to agents, previous clubs, yet we all gaze at Levy and scream, "JUST PAY IT!".

Easy to say when it's not your money and it's not you who has to balance that outlay of millions over the course of the next few years, especially now with the pandemic on our backs too.

It's a cluster fuck super sideshow festival o-rama but to keep pointing the finger at Levy and thinking that there's a magical billionaire wizard waiting in the wings to step in is really, really, tremendously optimistic. And even more unlikely.

 

[sebo_sek]

Why the personals?

He does that.
Apparently I'm a fattist (whatever that is) for saying Mido got fat (which he did).
What can you do?

 

[Phantom]

Endless? I mean it is hardly endless. We need to make the right appointment and if we use the extra breathing space afforded to us by the seasons break then that is fine.

I will be getting worried if in 4 weeks time we still don't have someone in place or if that person is someone lacklustre.

 

[mightyspur]

Well then in my eyes you are an idiot

I doubt he really gives a fuck.

 

[carlosspurs]

Hes doing OK for me, its the managers who have let him and us down.

Who appoints the Managers ?

Love how much we all have to say on situations that we know, what, maybe 10% of the facts and details? Maybe a wee bit less?

I have NO IDEA why the Conte thing didn't work out, only fifteen different reasons all delivered as "fact" by various sources.

Point as evidence - Poch going and Jose coming in was like greased teflon. It's obvious talks had been ongoing behind the scenes with Jose but both Poch's sacking and Jose coming in went almost under the radar until, literally, the last minute. Where were all these sources at that stage? I'm not convinced that there as many fingers on pulses as there claims to be, which leads me to doubt whether I know all the ins and outs.

Yeah, he's cocked up here and there but we crow "make the money available!" then, when he does, we can't get deals over the line for... "reasons" again. We don't know those reasons - could be contractual, could be legal obligations, sponsors, pay offs to agents, previous clubs, yet we all gaze at Levy and scream, "JUST PAY IT!".

Easy to say when it's not your money and it's not you who has to balance that outlay of millions over the course of the next few years, especially now with the pandemic on our backs too.

It's a cluster fuck super sideshow festival o-rama but to keep pointing the finger at Levy and thinking that there's a magical billionaire wizard waiting in the wings to step in is really, really, tremendously optimistic. And even more unlikely.

I think to be balanced we aren't aware of other clubs issues and signing process. But what is fair is that we seem to always run into the "couldn't get it over the line on a regular basis" or "last minute.com" attempts etc. So I think it is fair to point the finger at Levy, because ultimately he controls everything, and that is his choice. He is renowned by other owners and the like for being very difficult to deal with.

If you want to give credit for stadium and facilities, he deserves it. But when it comes to football he as the leader/chairman has to accept ALL of the responsibility. Like most organisations, the culture comes from the top - unfortunately for Spurs, that's Levy.