Can we take a moment to laugh heartily at Everton?

[Serpico]

Lampard is not a football coach at a level that Everton or any PL sides expect/demand. At Chelsea he was poor with a good side now he’s poor with a bad side. He may Talk a good game but its transitioning the words into the team and onto the pitch. God help them, they may need his intervention. Very poor decision.

 

[Yid-ol]

I am guessing if Everton go down then Dele would be released? Meaning not much or nothing in transfer fee!?

 

[Tucker]

Lampard is not a football coach at a level that Everton or any PL sides expect/demand. At Chelsea he was poor with a good side now he’s poor with a bad side. He may Talk a good game but its transitioning the words into the team and onto the pitch. God help them, they may need his intervention. Very poor decision.

I don’t think he’s got the experience or nous to get them out of trouble. He could turn into a good coach, seems like a nice fairly intelligent guy who’s able to give confidence to young players etc.

At Derby he already had a fairly decent side, and was helped out with several loans from Chelsea, he didn’t achieve anything with them. At Chelsea he had an embarrassment of talent at his disposal and didn’t achieve anything with them.

They have appointed him on his reputation as a player alone, which is a massive mistake imo. Think it’s a bad move for Lampard himself too fwiw, if they go down will anyone look at him as a serious coach after three successive failures?

 

[Tucker]

I am guessing if Everton go down then Dele would be released? Meaning not much or nothing in transfer fee!?

Why would he be released? He’s got a contract with Everton, they aren’t going to be able to afford to pay him off. They’ll still have to pay us for any games he’s played too, and I think there’s more to it than just appearance clauses too.

 

[Yid-ol]

Why would he be released? He’s got a contract with Everton, they aren’t going to be able to afford to pay him off. They’ll still have to pay us for any games he’s played too, and I think there’s more to it than just appearance clauses too.

I doubt they will be able to afford to keep some of the big wages on if they go down. Add in a player on big wages that doesn't look like he is working his socks off, he would be high up the list of first out the door IMO.

I think there were multiple stipulations for payment but only one I can remember seeing is if he played x games, which was more than left in the current season.



Edit; still not clear but Looking at a report it's £10million after 20 games (only 18 he can play in this season) and reported £30million after 80 games.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2022/2/1/22912422/everton-transfer-news-dele-alli-transfer-fee-free-10-million-20-games-40-million-80-games-tottenham

 

[kaz Hirai]

i dont think they'll go down, i think we CL back they'll have just about enough firepower to barely escape on final few home games. Ideally anyway as they play arse at the end.

regarding dele i guess they'd have to sell him if they went down, though i would kinda like to see how he would do in the championship

 

[Styopa]

I don’t think he’s got the experience or nous to get them out of trouble. He could turn into a good coach, seems like a nice fairly intelligent guy who’s able to give confidence to young players etc.

At Derby he already had a fairly decent side, and was helped out with several loans from Chelsea, he didn’t achieve anything with them. At Chelsea he had an embarrassment of talent at his disposal and didn’t achieve anything with them.

They have appointed him on his reputation as a player alone, which is a massive mistake imo. Think it’s a bad move for Lampard himself too fwiw, if they go down will anyone look at him as a serious coach after three successive failures?

Totally agree. Being at Derby actually made sense for him and he made about par that season there. As far as his development goes he may have been better off staying there for another couple of seasons.

I completely understand why he may have felt like the Chelsea job was too good to turn down though. Likewise there was obviously some sense in Chelsea appointing a club legend who had done alright in his first job. It was still a poor appointment but you can kind of see the rationale behind it.

Everton appointing him for what is essentially a relegation scrap makes no sense at all though. He doesn't have any special ties to the club. He is still very inexperienced. He has no experience of being in a relegation battle as a coach. His career as a coach so far has been average at best. What you get with Lampard is a big name and lots of potential. I'm not sure that's what Everton need right now.

 

[Tucker]

I doubt they will be able to afford to keep some of the big wages on if they go down. Add in a player on big wages that doesn't look like he is working his socks off, he would be high up the list of first out the door IMO.

I think there were multiple stipulations for payment but only one I can remember seeing is if he played x games, which was more than left in the current season.



Edit; still not clear but Looking at a report it's £10million after 20 games (only 18 he can play in this season) and reported £30million after 80 games.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2022/2/1/22912422/everton-transfer-news-dele-alli-transfer-fee-free-10-million-20-games-40-million-80-games-tottenham

I distinctly remember reading that they’ll have to pay for any appearances up to that 20 appearance cut off. 20 is just when the first accumulated payment will be due. I can’t believe that we wouldn’t have stuck a sell on clause in there too.

No way Everton will be able to afford to just cut him loose, they’d have to pay off his contract. So they’ll likely try and sell him, and if they can’t, they’ll likely have to play him as he’d probably score a fair amount in the championship.

 

[RJR1949]

I always wondered why de Beek wasn’t getting game time at United. It’s a mystery no more.

 

[Hakkz]

I always wondered why de Beek wasn’t getting game time at United. It’s a mystery no more.

Dutch Dele Alli.

 

[allatsea]

I don’t think he’s got the experience or nous to get them out of trouble. He could turn into a good coach, seems like a nice fairly intelligent guy who’s able to give confidence to young players etc.

At Derby he already had a fairly decent side, and was helped out with several loans from Chelsea, he didn’t achieve anything with them. At Chelsea he had an embarrassment of talent at his disposal and didn’t achieve anything with them.

They have appointed him on his reputation as a player alone, which is a massive mistake imo. Think it’s a bad move for Lampard himself too fwiw, if they go down will anyone look at him as a serious coach after three successive failures?

Yet another example of rich and presumably clever owners making a terrible mistake in their appointment of a Manager/Head Coach. What were they thinking when they appointed Lampard ? No record of success, no record of managing a side in a relegation battle, no evidence that he is a good coach or good at man management. As you say he was appointed on the back of his performances as a player nothing else.

 

[BSG-75]

Everton remind me very much of us under Alan Sugar, odd selection of managers, the occasional inspired act, terminal decline and under achievement. After Newcastle under Ashley they are I think the worst run club in recent history.

 

[Styopa]

Yet another example of rich and presumably clever owners making a terrible mistake in their appointment of a Manager/Head Coach. What were they thinking when they appointed Lampard ? No record of success, no record of managing a side in a relegation battle, no evidence that he is a good coach or good at man management. As you say he was appointed on the back of his performances as a player nothing else.

To be fair to Lampard he is very articulate and comes across as someone you might expect to do fairly well in management given the right opportunity. A bit like how Scott Parker has been cutting his teeth in the Championship. The thing is we might never find out how good Lampard is if he keeps choosing the wrong job. And that's what this Everton job risks turning out to be. The wrong man for the wrong job at the wrong time. Really a smaller, well run, more stable club would have made much more sense for Lampard at this point.

And for Everton. Well I think they should have gone for someone with loads more experience given their current predicament, even if that meant a less glamorous name. They could have always reviewed again in the summer. Or if they wanted a biggish name for the club to rally behind then they could have gone for Duncan Ferguson.

 

[Marty]

I always wondered why de Beek wasn’t getting game time at United. It’s a mystery no more.

You look at all the players Ajax sold in the wake of that CL run and none have been nearly as good for their new clubs. Ziyech has done alright but in fits and bursts, De Jong is finally showing good stuff under Xavi, but aside from that it seems they've all regressed.

It shows the power of Ten Hag and the Ajax system.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I never really got the dislike for the Leeds fan base until I watched them coming into the stadium for half hour this season. Saw 2 arrests for carrying (drugs I presume) and 1 bolted up the street, fell over and was pounced on by Police.
Wtf makes a person think 'I know what I'll do, I'll pay a Kings ransom to go see us play Spurs, travel all the way from Leeds, then I'll try and sneak some shit in and if I get caught I'll get arrested and miss the game but it'll be worth it.'
Will it? I mean really?
Just what is wrong with these idiots (answered my own question).
And I asked myself are these season ticket holders? Must be for an away game.

Don't suppose you happened to get hold of their dealers number?

 

[Serpico]

I am guessing if Everton go down then Dele would be released? Meaning not much or nothing in transfer fee!?

Championship could be a good level for him. He might come good. Everton could do a lot worse than him if they went down and needed players.

 

[Tucker]

Saw a talk sport video earlier where Simon Jordan was explaining how Everton are likely to be in breach of ffp when they publish their accounts, he expects them to get a points deduction, though he thinks it’ll be for next season. Can’t imagine the other clubs in the bottom three will be happy about that.

 

[cwy21]

Everton would need guys like Dele to get back up. You need to take advantage of those parachute payments or else you could get stuck down there like Leeds.

 

[spursfan77]

Saw a talk sport video earlier where Simon Jordan was explaining how Everton are likely to be in breach of ffp when they publish their accounts, he expects them to get a points deduction, though he thinks it’ll be for next season. Can’t imagine the other clubs in the bottom three will be happy about that.

If they go down they’ll be totally fucked then. The EFL FFP rules are even stricter.

They have had huge operating losses last year (£144m) and have high wages to turnover for last year. So their new accounts if they follow the same trend as the other clubs who have released them for 20/21 will be even worse in terms of losses.

 

[Tucker]

If they go down they’ll be totally fucked then. The EFL FFP rules are even stricter.

They have had huge operating losses last year (£144m) and have high wages to turnover for last year. So their new accounts if they follow the same trend as the other clubs who have released them for 20/21 will be even worse in terms of losses.

They’d have to have the mother of all fire sales.