Are we a pushover?

[EastLondonYid]

Serious question....

Do we think AVB should toughen up abit and stop being Mr nice guy?

Nasri takes out Kyle in front of our bench ....not a flicker or protest from our staff,i'm not condoning us getting opposing players sent off, but when its clearly a horror tackle we should be a little more vocal..why not?

We are probably the only team not to have been given a penalty, is that a coincidence? do ref's/officials get influenced by the coaches? i do believe they do, again i'm not advocating AVB turns into a nasty, non stop arm waving nutter at every decision, but i do believe he should throw abit more slack on the officials than he currently does, i'm pretty sure we may get one more pen then we currently have so far.

Man u played out a testimonial against chelsea yesterday,Can anyone here imagine how fergie would have spoken in his pre match press conference if he was waiting on a team with little to play for playing one of his rivals. i'm pretty sure he would have raised the question and put pressure on them to play their first team and actually turn up, i would be shocked if AVB even mentions Man U's pathetic showing.

The likes of Murinho/fergie etc are great coaches, but they sometimes win games in press conferences or just there sheer presence...again i'm not advocating AVB to suddenly turn into a **** like those 2, but i do think he can man up abit and fight our corner a bit more than he does, it would benefit him too in the long run.

 

[ItsBoris]

My impression has been that AVB is pretty vocal on the touchline, I remember him getting pretty worked up during the Southampton game when Clattenburg was making some dumb calls.

 

[spike472]

Freund is Avb's mouthpiece for this kind of thing

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

My impression has been that AVB is pretty vocal on the touchline, I remember him getting pretty worked up during the Southampton game when Clattenburg was making some dumb calls.

Yeah, mine too. I always thought he is quite animated on the touchline at times. I'm not sure how the bench all appealing for a penalty would sway any referee who would certainly be too far away to hear it above the noise of the crowd but i'm sure thay do it anyway.

ELY, if AVB starts moaning about United's performance yesterday, I think it'll be seen as excuse making before the fact, if you see what I mean. Can you imagine the meltdown in here if Harry did that? I think that like the team, he's a work in progress and different aspects will develop over time and instead of being a 'like Fergie' or Mourinho type manager, I hope to see him develop, mature and learn and be comfortable being AVB with his own style.

 

[robin09]

Definitely we need to show a bit more 'gamesmanship'. I say it in almost every match day thread, but look at the way the other big teams surround the ref when they feel hard done by. Justified or not, it puts pressure on the ref to even things up.

Look at the way Luiz rolled around making the most of a foul to try and get the opposition player sent off.

It annoys me that we often don't seem nasty enough, and we have a half hearted whimper at the ref if we feel hard done by. I want to see some screaming and foaming at the mouth.

It's a shame we'd have to lower ourselves to this, but it's the way the game works. If you can't beat em, join em.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Yeah, mine too. I always thought he is quite animated on the touchline at times. I'm not sure how the bench all appealing for a penalty would sway any referee who would certainly be too far away to hear it above the noise of the crowd but i'm sure thay do it anyway.

ELY, if AVB starts moaning about United's performance yesterday, I think it'll be seen as excuse making before the fact, if you see what I mean. Can you imagine the meltdown in here if Harry did that? I think that like the team, he's a work in progress and different aspects will develop over time and instead of being a 'like Fergie' or Mourinho type manager, I hope to see him develop, mature and learn and be comfortable being AVB with his own style.

A clever line thrown in at fridays pre-match press conference doesn't mean moaning, if it got us an advantage why not. Fergie has been using this tactic year in year out, and for a reason.

Look i do like the way AVB conducts himself, he is a class act, but sometimes a clever line can influence things your way...maybe.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

We have integrity. Others don't.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

A clever line thrown in at fridays pre-match press conference doesn't mean moaning, if it got us an advantage why not. Fergie has been using this tactic year in year out, and for a reason.

Look i do like the way AVB conducts himself, he is a class act, but sometimes a clever line can influence things your way...maybe.

Not that I disagree with you in principle about the value of a clever line here and there, as I said, that's something he either grows into/learns/starts to do or not.........But in this instance, I just fail to see how anything he might say about United would have any sort of bearing whatsoever and be seen as anything other than sour grapes. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be contradictory or awkward for the sake of it, I just can't see the value this time around.............

 

[EastLondonYid]

We have integrity. Others don't.

Right..

 

[EastLondonYid]

Not that I disagree with you in principle about the value of a clever line here and there, as I said, that's something he either grows into/learns/starts to do or not.........But in this instance, I just fail to see how anything he might say about United would have any sort of bearing whatsoever and be seen as anything other than sour grapes. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be contradictory or awkward for the sake of it, I just can't see the value this time around.............

Well firstly it wouldn't be sour grapes if it was said before the game, how could it?

Secondly, and this is the bit i can't understand is hard to grasp, ..if AVB had questioned Sir Alex's team's mindset or selection before the game, maybe, maybe, Rednose might have sent his team out with a little more fire if Fergie's reputation for doing the right thing for the integrity of the league was put into question, he may have even played a stronger first 11....again i'm not saying it would have been the case, i'm just asking the question of maybe it would have,,,,by saying nothing it certainly didn't help us.

 

[worcestersauce]

We have integrity. Others don't.

Thats why they get penalties and we don't.
When do we ever crowd the referee shouting and demanding the penalty when we should have one, how many times, when opposition defenders handled the ball in their box, intentionally or accidentally, have we have stormed the referee about it? Never thats how many, and that means the ref's are under no pressure the next time it happens, at arsenal, chelsea and Man Utd for example they'd give him grief or be dropped and they benefit for it.
Whether that is integrity or not I don't know but we suffer for it nevertheless.

 

[sunnydelight786]

We have integrity. Others don't.

Being nice doesn't make you a winning team. All the English champs in my life time had a **** or 2 in their sides. We just have a bunch of pussies who accept the decisions and more often than not go into a sulk on the field of play.

 

[marion52]

he's still young and inexperienced compared to Fergie, for instance.
I agree with saying something before the match though, this is something Ferguson excels at.
Much as i agree about having a tough player I hate seeing the behaviour of players like Luiz yesterday - rolling in agony one minute, then prancing like a spring lamb the next when he's succeeded in getting a fellow professional sent off.
However if we are going to have a chance of regular CL maybe we have to drop to their level. The saying 'if you can't beat them join them' springs to mind.

 

[Misfit]

AVB needs to walk onto the pitch, stroll up to the ref and nut him the next time he makes a bad call.

Roadhouse.

 

[double0]

There is something about Spurs not being ruthless enough you see other teams harassing and surrounding the officials to influence decision yet we rarely do this... we haven't been awarded a penalty this season and we tend to just accept things.

I still think theres a mentality shift that needs to take place for us to push on...nothing to do with being a pushover but regarding our mentality, when Bale cut infield against Southampton the score that crucial goal I was looking at the reaction of our strikers, their reaction to that goal was not immediate maybe it was a shock.

 

[Scarlet57]

We should get Roy Keane on the staff.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Well firstly it wouldn't be sour grapes if it was said before the game, how could it?

Secondly, and this is the bit i can't understand is hard to grasp, ..if AVB had questioned Sir Alex's team's mindset or selection before the game, maybe, maybe, Rednose might have sent his team out with a little more fire if Fergie's reputation for doing the right thing for the integrity of the league was put into question, he may have even played a stronger first 11....again i'm not saying it would have been the case, i'm just asking the question of maybe it would have,,,,by saying nothing it certainly didn't help us.

See there is where i'm being such a stupid ****. All this time I thought you were going on about him saying something about the United game before the Chelsea game. Sorry. What can I say? I'm a senile ****

 

[Mullers]

I like AVB the way he is, if he starts slagging off referees he'll get himself in trouble. He strikes me as an intelligent, likeable fellow that is the kind of person I want to see as the face of tottenham.

 

[ostrov]

Well firstly it wouldn't be sour grapes if it was said before the game, how could it?

Secondly, and this is the bit i can't understand is hard to grasp, ..if AVB had questioned Sir Alex's team's mindset or selection before the game, maybe, maybe, Rednose might have sent his team out with a little more fire if Fergie's reputation for doing the right thing for the integrity of the league was put into question, he may have even played a stronger first 11....again i'm not saying it would have been the case, i'm just asking the question of maybe it would have,,,,by saying nothing it certainly didn't help us.

In fact AVB did urge MU not to let up against Chelsea.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-vs-chelsea-tottenham-1866295

 

[EastLondonYid]

In fact AVB did urge MU not to let up against Chelsea.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-vs-chelsea-tottenham-1866295

Players pick up when their manager is really up for a game, they would sense it in his tteam selection, his attitude at training all week, even in the dressing room before KO.now unless after years of getting the best out of his players he has suddenly lost his touch,or the players had picked op on what i said earlier...
look i know its not Fergies problem what happens to us, but putting him under the spotlight like he often does with others, might have changed things even 5 0r 10%...and with so thin margins, it could have meant a different result yesterday...anyway no good crying over spilt milk, its upto us now.