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I still think they’ll end up winning the league. 5 pts isn’t that much at this stage.
If they were playing well I'd agree, but they are absolutely awful. They are the Harry Kane team.

There's as much chance of that gap increasing to 7 or 8 points as there is of it narrowing to 0.
 

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I think the difference between the two is that Shearer was happy to play for his boyhood team.
He'd have liked more trophies, of course he would but he was happy enough just to play for "his club".
And I think that's why Shearer still has the status he has but then, that was also before the days of social media and the added shite that it brings.

I think Harry and Charlie got sucked into the whole "needs to win a trophy to prove himself" narrative and as a result, will end up having a slightly tarnished reputation in the end.
Let's face it, the media over here, as well as the twitterati, will criticise him no matter what happens because it's what they do.
Shearer also was happy to play for his boyhood club because by then he was a premier league champion.

For me, Harry spoiled it a bit by so clearly wanting out. He gave the interview, he allowed himself to be led by his family and Mourinho that he deserved "superstardom". I appreciate this coming back on him at BM. The grass isn't always greener and he tainted it a bit.

I don't think he comes back to us in his playing days. It will be too expensive and not what the club is looking for when the time comes. Man U will be the most likely buyers. Football changes quickly and next year BM might pull it together and win the lot but I agree with everyone that has raised it, he is a great goalscorer but goes missing at important moments to be considered elite. He doesn't deserve trophies, he chose Germany and all that entails and can't be bothered to give the language a good go.
 

Frank Blank

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Quote from Harold in post-match interview with TNT Sports.

"We're in a difficult spell. We have to fight. We have to turn it round."

Hmm, now where have I heard that before. I bet he didn't expect to have to trot out that old canard again.

My eyes glaze over when a footballer says 'we have to fight' Fight what? Fight against playing shit? I
 

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Think of what we could've won if we weren't burdened with Kane for all those years?!
😁🤣

I honestly think we'd have won more without him. I know it's crazy but the mentality of other players not "needing" to step up as Kane was there was clear and Kane just didn't do it in big games.
 

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I honestly think we'd have won more without him. I know it's crazy but the mentality of other players not "needing" to step up as Kane was there was clear and Kane just didn't do it in big games.

To be fair, that's on the other players. Kane isn't without fault but I doubt we would have won anything without him.
 

Styopa

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I honestly think we'd have won more without him. I know it's crazy but the mentality of other players not "needing" to step up as Kane was there was clear and Kane just didn't do it in big games.

I think the main issue was having everything set up around Kane made us so one dimensional, especially after Poch was sacked and Eriksen left. Kane was our plan A, B and C. We were totally devoid of ideas other than getting the ball to Kane.
 

Frank Blank

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I think the main issue was having everything set up around Kane made us so one dimensional, especially after Poch was sacked and Eriksen left. Kane was our plan A, B and C. We were totally devoid of ideas other than getting the ball to Kane.

Case in point is squad depth. We've improved on that front, though obviously there is more to do.
Arguably, we now have three players who can step up and play as a 9. While none of them are as good as Kane, we now have a lot more team flexibility than we used to. That also means players have less scope for 'hiding' in games because competition in some areas at least, is now greater and there is no longer a 'main man'.
 

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I honestly think we'd have won more without him. I know it's crazy but the mentality of other players not "needing" to step up as Kane was there was clear and Kane just didn't do it in big games.
I think a big part of the problem is our transfer committee and way of doing business during most of this period was mostly poor. If we'd sold Kane, we probably wouldn't have spent the money well.
 

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I honestly think we'd have won more without him. I know it's crazy but the mentality of other players not "needing" to step up as Kane was there was clear and Kane just didn't do it in big games.
I agree. We could have won the championship this year for a start
 

WorcesterTHFC

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Also I know he played for Southampton and then after Blackburn, Newcastle for most of his career but isn’t it interesting that Shearer the player most similar to Kane in a way (without Kanes ability to drop deep and be a n.o10), has only won the premier league once and not a single other trophy.

Now sure if he’d have gone to man.u I’m sure he would’ve won a ton but if Shearer and Kane were that good they’d have dragged their teams to a few more trophies.
Maradona dragged a so-so Argentina team to the 1986 World Cup. That's part of the reason why he was undoubtedly elite. Then there's Steven Gerrard. How many of those trophies during his time would Liverpool have won without him?
 

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Some of you are so bitter and now we'd have been better off without him!

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

One thing I know for sure, Sonny would have buried a load of those freekicks... :p

We all saw Kane's "team talks" in the Amazon doc, which pretty much amounted to "let's fucking go!!" and that was it. He's not a natural leader at all and I do think that harmed us in big moments.
 

muppetman

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One thing I know for sure, Sonny would have buried a load of those freekicks... :p

We all saw Kane's "team talks" in the Amazon doc, which pretty much amounted to "let's fucking go!!" and that was it. He's not a natural leader at all and I do think that harmed us in big moments.
Why Sonny hasn't been taking every free kick since Erikson left is beyond me. 😡😡😡😡😡😡

As for leadership (and possible future managerial jobs), I think Harry's quite a simple (and very dull) soul who focuses so much on scoring that there isn't much left for anything else.

He's not on the level of Messi or Ronaldo but he's probably been the best out and out goal scorer of the last 5 years. He was also Spurs best midfielder, defender and striker (shite goalkeeper though), so complaining that he didn't drag us over the line in finals, seems a bit OTT to me, when we would have had a lot less chance of being in them with Soldado, Janssen, Vinicius, Llorente etc leading the line.

Now, maybe without Harry we could have signed better than Vinicius, but probably no better than a Callum Wilson type of level as I'm not sure Levy was ever going to spend the type of money elite strikers go for - particularly with our track record!

Anyway, he no longer plays for Spurs, so I don't really care if he wins a pot with Bayern or not, but the disrespect and rewriting of history is just not needed.
 

Styopa

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Some of you are so bitter and now we'd have been better off without him!

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

I think some people take it too far, but I (and many others) predicted we would be a better team this season without Kane, than we were the last few seasons with Kane, and I think that has transpired.

There are various reasons for that but whatever way one cuts it, we endured a pretty lacklustre four or five years with Kane leading the line as our talisman. We are on course to achieve fourth this season, which would be as good as anything we achieved with Kane since Pochettino was sacked.
 

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What's helped us is taking the scoring pressure off Sonny and now used the squad to create/score with the system in place. I would have loved seeing Kane in this side, especially start of the season with Maddison feeding him and us creating bucketloads. But it is what it is. We have moved on, and I still wish him (and Dier) well.
 

Styopa

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What's helped us is taking the scoring pressure off Sonny and now used the squad to create/score with the system in place. I would have loved seeing Kane in this side, especially start of the season with Maddison feeding him and us creating bucketloads. But it is what it is. We have moved on, and I still wish him (and Dier) well.

I think Kane would have scored loads in this team, but, maybe he’s also part of the reason why we didn’t appoint someone like Ange sooner. It seemed like the appointments of Mourinho and Conte were at least partly made to keep Kane happy. The period between Mourinho and Conte was when Kane tried to force a move. And obviously this summer after we appointed Ange he left.
 
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