The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

SirHarryHotspur · Feb 11, 2024

Nice little video above but not sure I see Levy suddenly shelling out £100 million on a single player plus our recent business under Ange, Munn & Lange would indicate a more youth orientated approach .
Let's not forget these richest London club figures are based on last seasons revenue which would include Champions League football (actual accounts yet to be published but seen by Deloitte) . Next years Deloitte money league will see us without that revenue and the only domestic cup income will be one away match at Fulham and two home FA cup ties so other stdium revenue concerts etc is very important.

Just to show how important Euro football revenue is, in 21/22 season earnings from the Conference League when we didn't get out of the group because we couldn't play final game was £10.2 million, domestic cup revenue getting to 5th Round FA Cup and reaching semis of league cup £5.2 million.

There is no doubt that Levy is a financial genius in overseeing at the time the largest privately funded building project in Europe and securing the repayments at a sustainable rate .
Perhaps we should all thank Sidney for that

He (Levy) studied Economics and Land Economy at Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge, and graduated in 1985 with a First Class Honours Degree.

dovahkiin · Feb 12, 2024

ComfortablyNumb · Feb 12, 2024

dovahkiin said:

The big standout there is Liverpool. One expects a big jump up for London, but 'pool nearly 50% more expensive than the next non-London stadium?

mil1lion · Feb 12, 2024

ohtottenham! said:
Depends how you define success. Under Bill Nic, we won the league once (double year), FA Cup 3 times, League Cup twice, the European Cup Winners Cup and the UEFA Cup.

In other words we were a cup team back then. We're now a league standing team who finish as high as we can because it's more financially beneficial.

TheHodFather · Feb 12, 2024

ComfortablyNumb said:
The big standout there is Liverpool. One expects a big jump up for London, but 'pool nearly 50% more expensive than the next non-London stadium?

TBF you've got United ahead of Liverpool there. The big standout for me was Man City still being so far below Liverpool and United which I think shows they still don't have anything like the following of the more "traditional" clubs.

alfie103 · Feb 12, 2024

mil1lion said:
In other words we were a cup team back then. We're now a league standing team who finish as high as we can because it's more financially beneficial.

Is that it then? Our main priority is the competition(s) which provides the most financial benefits?

SirHarryHotspur · Feb 12, 2024

dovahkiin said:

OK the Liverpool figures would include good runs in CL or Europa league and domestic cups and a larger capacity but two clubs in the same city just look at the difference between Liverpool & Everton.
Its a touchy subject but many clubs are not charging high enough admission charges to justify paying multi million pound wage packets to players .

ohtottenham! · Feb 12, 2024

mil1lion said:
In other words we were a cup team back then. We're now a league standing team who finish as high as we can because it's more financially beneficial.

I know the game's changed in many ways since back in the day, and I agree with the general point being made about us currently having a period of sustained success regarding league position (Top 4) and games won etc.,

But, it's simply not true to say we were just a cup team back then. I know finishing in the Top 4 didn't have the importance it does today, but still teams did want to finish as high as they could in the league.

Last 11 years, starting from 2012/13, Top 4 finishes = 5/11.
11 years from 1956-7 to 1966/7. Top 4 finishes = 8/11.

We also won the League, 3 FA Cups and the European Cup Winner's Cup during that period.

Bill Nic started at beginning of '58 season. We finished 18th that season, which was very disappointing, but a complete outlier.

Styopa · Feb 12, 2024

ohtottenham! said:
I know the game's changed in many ways since back in the day, and I agree with the general point being made about us currently having a period of sustained success regarding league position (Top 4) and games won etc.,

But, it's simply not true to say we were just a cup team back then. I know finishing in the Top 4 didn't have the importance it does today, but still teams did want to finish as high as they could in the league.

Last 11 years, starting from 2012/13, Top 4 finishes = 5/11.
11 years from 1956-7 to 1966/7. Top 4 finishes = 8/11.

We also won the League, 2 FA Cups and the European Cup Winner's Cup during that period.

Bill Nic started at beginning of '58 season. We finished 18th that season, which was very disappointing, but a complete outlier.

We also finished in the “top four” 4 times during the eighties - 3rd twice and fourth twice. As well as winning a few trophies of course.

But football was different then and anyway most us here probably don’t go back that far. My memories go back only as far as the 90s when things were bleak. So viewed from that perspective our league standing has improved a lot.

SirHarryHotspur · Feb 12, 2024

alfie103 said:
Is that it then? Our main priority is the competition(s) which provides the most financial benefits?

Unfortunately that is how the multi million pound football business now operates , PL finishing position rates higher than FA Cup or League Cup success
Extract from the Everton PSR case where they didn't make as much money from their league position as expected.

The cause of Everton’s PSR difficulties was the fact that it overspent (largely on its purchase of new players and its inability to sell other players), and because it finished lower in the league than it had projected in FY 2022 (16th against the projected 6th – causing a loss of expected income of c.£21 million)

chas vs dave · Feb 12, 2024

ComfortablyNumb said:
The big standout there is Liverpool. One expects a big jump up for London, but 'pool nearly 50% more expensive than the next non-London stadium?

I'm assuming when they say amount spent per fan, it's accounting club shop spend + concessions in the stadium.

71 quid per person is a lot of money.

alfie103 · Feb 12, 2024

SirHarryHotspur said:
Unfortunately that is how the multi million pound football business now operates , PL finishing position rates higher than FA Cup or League Cup success
Extract from the Everton PSR case where they didn't make as much money from their league position as expected.

The cause of Everton’s PSR difficulties was the fact that it overspent (largely on its purchase of new players and its inability to sell other players), and because it finished lower in the league than it had projected in FY 2022 (16th against the projected 6th – causing a loss of expected income of c.£21 million)

If that's the case, I do struggle to see the point of supporting Tottenham now.

SirHarryHotspur · Feb 12, 2024

chas vs dave said:
I'm assuming when they say amount spent per fan, it's accounting club shop spend + concessions in the stadium.

71 quid per person is a lot of money.

£71 sounds about right just on admission alone when you consider that hospitality seats cost so much money eg Burnley at end of season hospitality at £299 available to buy now.
In the last accounts Spurs showed matchday income at £106.1 million not including merchandise.

PS Just working on 19 home PL games for season 21/22 , total attendance was 1,073,936 with matchday income of £106 million that works out at an avearge of around £98 per person , not sure how many cup or euro games there were ion that matchday total but £71 can't be far off.

TheHodFather · Feb 12, 2024

chas vs dave said:
I'm assuming when they say amount spent per fan, it's accounting club shop spend + concessions in the stadium.

71 quid per person is a lot of money.

I'd assumed it must be including ticket prices as I can't believe we're *averaging* £71 in the stadium shop and drinks/snacks for each person in the ground. But then the figures at the bottom look way too low. I guess it must be something to do with all the corporate stuff bumping our average way up.

SirHarryHotspur · Feb 12, 2024

alfie103 said:
If that's the case, I do struggle to see the point of supporting Tottenham now.

Only about seven of the current PL clubs have won a major trophy this century but virtually every stadium is sold out for PL games so fans are obviously quite happy to support their teams regardless of winning silverware.

McFlash · Feb 12, 2024

alfie103 said:
Is that it then? Our main priority is the competition(s) which provides the most financial benefits?

To be brutally honest, it's probably not been a bad thing while we've been rebuilding the club, to focus on bringing as much revenue in as possible.

Now we seem to be pretty much at the end of that journey, we will hopefully be building a team capable of competing for everything.
I'm sure that's the actual plan, not to just be happy as a top four club.
Levy wants us to be among the top teams in the world and even he will realise that will take trophies.

alfie103 · Feb 12, 2024

McFlash said:
To be brutally honest, it's probably not been a bad thing while we've been rebuilding the club, to focus on bringing as much revenue in as possible.

Now we seem to be pretty much at the end of that journey, we will hopefully be building a team capable of competing for everything.
I'm sure that's the actual plan, not to just be happy as a top four club.
Levy wants us to be among the top teams in the world and even he will realise that will take trophies.

For me, I don't think Levy particularly cares how the club does in footballing terms as long as he spends the least amount of money needed to get maximum amount of revenue.

alfie103 · Feb 12, 2024

SirHarryHotspur said:
Only about seven of the current PL clubs have won a major trophy this century but virtually every stadium is sold out for PL games so fans are obviously quite happy to support their teams regardless of winning silverware.

I think if I supported some of the other teams, I would share a similar opinion. I would rather go for a cup and try to win it and risk relegation then just to finish in the bottom half each year.

McFlash · Feb 12, 2024

alfie103 said:
If that's the case, I do struggle to see the point of supporting Tottenham now.

Why, are you a glory hunter or something?
I mean, what's the point in supporting any team if your only aim is to win trophies?
It's the dream of every fan but they don't throw the towel in if it doesn't happen.

I took my kids down to watch our local team the other week and we were proud to be part of a record attendance...of 470 people.
There's no chance that Haywards Heath Town are winning anything anytime soon but my kids really enjoyed being there and cheering them on, so much so that they want to now go to every home game.

There's more to football and supporting a club than the trophies they win.

McFlash · Feb 12, 2024

alfie103 said:
I think if I supported some of the other teams, I would share a similar opinion. I would rather go for a cup and try to win it and risk relegation then just to finish in the bottom half each year.

What league are Wigan in now?
I'm sure their fans loved the cup win but would most likely rather still be a PL team.
West Ham are currently 8th in the table and "champions of Europe" but look how unhappy their fanbase seem to be.

Winning stuff is great and it's what we all want but apart from the odd exception, it's usually only the big team that win stuff.
We've finally got the finance and structure to properly compete with those so-called big clubs, so let's give us a chance and see what happens.

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