Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

brasil_spur said:

You're massively missing the point. The reason that they aren't killing as many people as COVID is that we have developed treatments and cures for them and raised awareness of how to prevent and detect them, but we don't have a vaccine. I mean basically any notable bacterial infection will kill you, you don't take any vaccine to prevent against bacterial infections, but we have antibiotics which act as a very effective treatment once you get an infection and if for example you cut yourself you wash or disinfect the wound and cover it to reduce the chances of a bacterial infection.

C-19 is new and so at the moment we're still understanding how best to protect against it and don't yet have any effective treatments for it (although this is look more promising each day). We might never have a vaccine for it, but regardless there should still be a point in time where things can continue as "normal".

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trevo said:

So how do players tackle and socially distance? Or will they play with condoms stretched over their heads? Absolutely insane. Whoever gets kick off will walk down the pitch and score as no one will be able to tackle. Then the opposition kicks off and will score as no one will be able to tackle. Scores are likely to be about 20-19 or 20-20. Encroachment within two metres of an opponent will be a yellow card and a repeat offence will merit a red. Apart from the carefully configured cash implications, the health implications around players' status (have had/haven't had COVID) and accordant team selection problems hasn't been thought through at all..

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brasil_spur said:

It's been posted many times before but this question keeps coming up.

There are many, many illnesses that don't have a vaccine that we don't stop the world for. What we need is to get this virus to the point that it is in the manageable norms of life. Be that herd immunity, various treatments methods that massively improve recovery, a cure, a vaccine or any combination of these.

Again to be clear, we don't need a vaccine in order to resume "normal" life, all we need is for COVID to be at a level that makes it within range of being as potent at killing people as the flu.

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Tottenhamboy85 said:

What’s the point in playing if you’re removing a fundamental thing for the league.

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dudu said:

Im not sure that I'm missing the point at all. You've even made my point for me

"C-19 is new so at the moment we are still understanding how best to protect form it"

We have stopped the world for a reason. It's a new disease that is quite contagious that has so far, reportedly killed 250,000 people in 5 months and there is no general consensus yet on how it works, how it kills you and how to stop it. What you are saying to me sounds like comparing apples (diseases we know how to treat, mitigate or cure) and oranges (new diseases we are still learning the relative basics about)

I haven't heard of any diseases or bacterial infections in recent years overwhelming certain parts of the NHS and that could kill staff that come into too much contact with those they are trying to treat.

When we get to the point with this disease that we have with the others you are comparing it to, things should get back to normal(ish). I don't hear anyone suggesting it won't.

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Mr Pink said:

Did any of them require months of lockdown on a global scale though?

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brasil_spur said:

This is the bit you're massively missing. Your whole debate with me on this is based on a reply I made to a poster who couldn't see football being played again in front of crowds without a vaccine.

My point is that football will be played in front of crowds again even if there is no vaccine so as long as we have a way to minimise the impact of C-19, be that via treatments, cures or better protection methods.

My example of other illnesses was purely to highlight that you do not need a vaccine in order to overcome an illness - strong treatment or a cure works just as well.


No because we lived in a different time when these happened and the answer back then was largely to accept that lots of people would die.

Again though we're way off the point i'm making here, which is simply: We do not need a vaccine in order to get back to normality. Many other illnesses that are as bad or worse than C-19 do not have a vaccine, but they have effective treatments/cures.

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Metalhead said:

Flu might be more of a problem without a vaccine though. I do agree though that football will have to come back.

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brasil_spur said:

I agree a fully working vaccine would be the most effective way of dealing with this (and amazing for mankind as a whole right now), but an accurate test with a course of medicine that cures it would be just about as effective (as an example).

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brasil_spur said:

This is the bit you're massively missing. Your whole debate with me on this is based on a reply I made to a poster who couldn't see football being played again in front of crowds without a vaccine.

My point is that football will be played in front of crowds again even if there is no vaccine so as long as we have a way to minimise the impact of C-19, be that via treatments, cures or better protection methods.

My example of other illnesses was purely to highlight that you do not need a vaccine in order to overcome an illness - strong treatment or a cure works just as well.


No because we lived in a different time when these happened and the answer back then was largely to accept that lots of people would die.

Again though we're way off the point i'm making here, which is simply: We do not need a vaccine in order to get back to normality. Many other illnesses that are as bad or worse than C-19 do not have a vaccine, but they have effective treatments/cures.

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Mr Pink said:

I Understand your point but it's the scale of all this I think you're underestimating.

What other illnesses have caused this many deaths in such a short time frame?

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brasil_spur said:

I'm not sure what the scale (which I'm fully aware of) or the death rate has to do with my point that a vaccine isn't the only answer to playing football in front of crowds again.

But if you want an example - bacterial infection killed millions of people annually in every part of the world before the invention of antibiotics. Another example is that scurvy used to kill about 50% of sailors on a major voyage before it was discovered that a good diet of vitamin C prevented this. There is no vaccine today for either of these, but there are effective treatments that now make these otherwise very deadly conditions virtually negligible.

Covid is new and so there is no known effective treatment and/or prevention plan (asides from isolation) right now. However if a treatment / cure is found then we could definitely have crowds at football games before a vaccine is found.

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Mr Pink said:

In the modern world these are unprecedented times. I don't understand the comparisons you're making.. Not really like for like.

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trevo said:

So how do players tackle and socially distance? Or will they play with condoms stretched over their heads? Absolutely insane. Whoever gets kick off will walk down the pitch and score as no one will be able to tackle. Then the opposition kicks off and will score as no one will be able to tackle. Scores are likely to be about 20-19 or 20-20. Encroachment within two metres of an opponent will be a yellow card and a repeat offence will merit a red. Apart from the carefully configured cash implications, the health implications around players' status (have had/haven't had COVID) and accordant team selection problems hasn't been thought through at all..

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Real_madyidd said:

Immunity not through vaccination but through having actually recovered from the illness. People will need to accept some sort of system as identfying them as being immune or low risk. (the idea being to protect the vulnerable rather than get everybody out).

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