bubble07
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Agree and whilst the fanbase still seem OK with not winning as seeing the bigger picture those youngsters should be starting. Also skipp is terrible
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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Agree and whilst the fanbase still seem OK with not winning as seeing the bigger picture those youngsters should be starting. Also skipp is terrible
bubble07
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Issue is not many teams aspiring to be in CL will chance youngsters. Although I get they should when the alternatives are back ups to the back ups
RuskyM
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AFAIK Jamie Donley has never played a minute of professional football, but it'd have been fine to throw him on at a time when one of the most adept managers around spotted a weakness to exploit. Can't see that backfiring at all.
Given that he had to a) deal with losing our greatest-ever player, b) completely change our style of play, c) pick up a team that was mentally on the floor and d) did all of that whilst going unbeaten for ten games, I think we can maybe forgive him not producing a youth pathway within six months when the club's not done that for about six years. Why don't we ask him to redesign the third kit while we're at it?
Given that he had to a) deal with losing our greatest-ever player, b) completely change our style of play, c) pick up a team that was mentally on the floor and d) did all of that whilst going unbeaten for ten games, I think we can maybe forgive him not producing a youth pathway within six months when the club's not done that for about six years. Why don't we ask him to redesign the third kit while we're at it?
McFlash
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I wonder how much of his choices are down to making his final decisions before the upcoming window?
Getting more of a look at some of the more senior youngster before deciding whether to move them on or not.
The likes of Skipp and Gil may well end up moving on or going on loan but it's only fair to give them a bit of a go first.
Getting more of a look at some of the more senior youngster before deciding whether to move them on or not.
The likes of Skipp and Gil may well end up moving on or going on loan but it's only fair to give them a bit of a go first.
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Skipp, no!
bubble07
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Wow
McFlash
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No as in you don't think he'll be going anywhere? Or that you don't think he should be playing?
I like Skipp and think he's got a lot going for him but sadly, I'm beginning to think he's just not right for this system.
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Cannot see a place in this team for him. Sad but we might sell him eventually. Devine will be back in the summer
Trix
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Most of them have at least one or two very recently academy players getting regular minutes.
Rico Lewis and Cole palmer(before his move) at City, Harvey Elliot at Pool, Colwill at Chelsea, Garnacho and Hanibal at Utd etc.
Trix
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It's not even about starting. They are turning up knowing they are just padding the substitutes list out.
mil1lion
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Whether we think Skipp will make it, Ange is still working with him to see if he can make it. I imagine he's on the fringes and not likely to make it here but Ange won't know if he never plays him. The youth have more time on their hands so I can understand why he might want to see Skipp before he makes a final decision. I'm sure there will be a pathway for the youth but we're a few months into a change of philosophy. This season is more about getting that drilled into the senior team and making decisions on the squad. Then we'll be in a much better position to bed in the youngsters. Its a lot harder to do that when the first team is still adjusting. I really hope they're not being that impatient.
Rosco1984
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We needed a goal who's more likely to create or score one.. Oliver keep it simple Skipp or someone who has 19 goal contributions this season in the u21s?
Trix
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It's not just the players. Agents, Parents, coaching staff all saying it. The thing is they've spent the last few years seeing exactly the same thing. Ange might be different but as yet he's showing nothing to suggest that. You have to remember it's been a slog to get them to sign deals with us and to do so they've been categorically told they'd get chances if they proved themselves. With Donley I genuinely don't see what more he could do. When we have so many injuries, suspensions and players that don't fit being overlooked is a massive slap in the face.
We had 2 keepers on the bench and only named 8 subs from a possible 9 on Sunday ffs, what message does that send the high flying U21's?
spursfan77
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Funnily enough I was thinking about this earlier. But you can bet if we finished eighth again this season there would be huge calls for his head. Levy would have to hold firm. I think he would this time.
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I don't think it's ever going to come to that. There aren't many that can't see we are progressing regardless of results. It's more likely Ange gets frustrated and leaves than is sacked imo, but then I don't think that will happen that quickly either.
spursfan77
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Nah, he's enjoying himself too much currently. That much is evident. Anyone with half a braincell knows why we've lost the last three games. Players start to come back after City, when I am expecting an uptick in form. Not that I am writing us off against them either, everyone did that two years ago and we beat them.
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As I said in a previous post he put Skipp on to facilitate a change in formation to have 2 up front. The discussion shouldn't be about why he brought Skipp on, it should be about whether that second striker should have been Veliz or Donley.
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Has it occured to anyone that he is holding back some of the youth players for a couple more pragmatic reasons? Such as wanting to bring them in when he feels it will be best for their development and not into a situation that could do more damage than good? And secondly, he’s giving some squad players a chance, be it mins or trying new positions before making the final call to move them out. The young lads have time on their side. The squad players don’t. He is looking at the bigger picture; Who in the squad can go in January, who stays. And he may arrive at this final conclusion within a few weeks. Then, he might start to bring the kids through.
Making sweeping statements about how unhappy the youngsters are and their families feels histrionic, when we are 13 games into a season. Maybe we actually wait until the end of the season to see how it all plays out, rather than a sample size that is not statistically relevant?
Sad to hear that there are already rumblings and complaints within the club about Ange and his reticence to play kids right now. I could understand it if we were in May. But I don’t understand why after we have lost three in a row it’s now a red blot in his ledger.
Making sweeping statements about how unhappy the youngsters are and their families feels histrionic, when we are 13 games into a season. Maybe we actually wait until the end of the season to see how it all plays out, rather than a sample size that is not statistically relevant?
Sad to hear that there are already rumblings and complaints within the club about Ange and his reticence to play kids right now. I could understand it if we were in May. But I don’t understand why after we have lost three in a row it’s now a red blot in his ledger.
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Switch it round - we start with three defeats in a row, no Romero or VDV or Maddison, then they come back and we get the wins and everyone would be ecstatic.
The football is better, the philosophy is more attractive to players and fans (and media). The rebuild is going to take a while and pre season was fragmented so Ange could not see the full squad.
The 14 games have shown that while he might have an opinion on a player, he isn’t going to cut them loose without giving them a chance. However, yesterday showed that he isn’t going to play someone who is maybe better for today, but doesn’t fit for tomorrow.
his devotion to his philosophy will annoy the pragmatist in me, but at least it’s fun to watch and I go into each game with hope, rather than fatigue.
I would like to see some of the youngsters get some minutes - always annoys me when we are cruising and rather than a youngster get their first minutes and experienced pro picks up his appearance fee. (But we haven’t been cruising in many games and I doubt that is likely to happen any time soon).
the two GKs on the bench does piss me off, especially for home games
The football is better, the philosophy is more attractive to players and fans (and media). The rebuild is going to take a while and pre season was fragmented so Ange could not see the full squad.
The 14 games have shown that while he might have an opinion on a player, he isn’t going to cut them loose without giving them a chance. However, yesterday showed that he isn’t going to play someone who is maybe better for today, but doesn’t fit for tomorrow.
his devotion to his philosophy will annoy the pragmatist in me, but at least it’s fun to watch and I go into each game with hope, rather than fatigue.
I would like to see some of the youngsters get some minutes - always annoys me when we are cruising and rather than a youngster get their first minutes and experienced pro picks up his appearance fee. (But we haven’t been cruising in many games and I doubt that is likely to happen any time soon).
the two GKs on the bench does piss me off, especially for home games
glacierSpurs
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Like really? Just 13+1 games in? This is just incredibly impatient TBVH to think players like Skipp who, was also an academy player coming through, does not have much minutes to showcase this season yet, but were deemed to be less suitable than Donley...?
And to be honest how was overlooking Skipp and play Donley instead sending a good message? This only means 3 years down if Donley's not making it as expected, he will be in the same place as Skipp now, dispensable, not respected, and overlooked for another youngster taking his place.
But really, only after 14 games in, 2 games after the suspensions and injuries, and now Ange couldn't have the patience from some to ease youngsters in without trying out the respectable and hardworking seniors first..
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