Russ1201
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Yet Levy still happy as all he cares about is making money! Doesnt care about performances.
Very little chance he pay out remaining contract of Conte in my opinion.
Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte
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Yet Levy still happy as all he cares about is making money! Doesnt care about performances.
Very little chance he pay out remaining contract of Conte in my opinion.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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You need to chill. I'm don't disagree with anything you are saying. I know it's difficult for people to understand in this social media driven world where everything must be polarised and nuance is not allowed, but two things can be right at the same time - our fanbase can still be impatient, and Conte not helping himself by the decisions he makes or style of football he employs.
Everything else you're saying i already acknowledged in my initial post.
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chrisd2k
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Two things can be right. I disagree a lot about criticising the fans like we had a part to play.
mil1lion
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The issue with calling for patience is that we've looked poor all season. There isn't any signs of progress on the pitch. The fans would be a lot more accepting if we picked up where we left last season. The fans were more upbeat at the end of the season going into this one. It started to turn toxic again as the season went on and the football was slow and boring. It was nothing like the end of last season. I never liked the booing at half time but the reason was because there was continuous poor football in every game. I think its fair to lose patience when the quality goes backwards. That was then made worse by not going full strength in the FA Cup. Now it's come to a head and any patience the fans had left has run out.
The only small chance for Conte to win fans over is if we start playing great again. Even then do we trust next season won't start the same as this one? The FA Cup really could have been his golden ticket. The fans could have accepted the poor season if we at least won a cup. Its difficult to see any future under Conte beyond this one for us. The only way I could be confident with Conte next season would be a summer of first team signings. It's not something we do though. Get 4 top quality first team signings and only then I think it could turn around for him. Otherwise we need a new manager who develops and go back to building not buying ready made.
The only small chance for Conte to win fans over is if we start playing great again. Even then do we trust next season won't start the same as this one? The FA Cup really could have been his golden ticket. The fans could have accepted the poor season if we at least won a cup. Its difficult to see any future under Conte beyond this one for us. The only way I could be confident with Conte next season would be a summer of first team signings. It's not something we do though. Get 4 top quality first team signings and only then I think it could turn around for him. Otherwise we need a new manager who develops and go back to building not buying ready made.
spurs-r-us
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The 20 blanks at HT from 25 would explain that. We play shit footy and we don't even score on the counter as much as we used to. You're underestimating how much people pay to be there.
spurs-r-us
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Signed a 3 year deal when he joined and extended it by 6 years the year after. No comparison.
13VanDerBale13
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Only hope I’m clinging onto, is that Levy wants to sack him during the international break.
Cuore da Leone
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Why have so many gone into panic mode? We are still doing better than Chelsea and Liverpool and have every chance to be making the top 4. We should assess the season once it ends? Isn‘t this negativity far too premature? Would we have thought to reach the round of 16 in the CL this time one year ago?
I think some of us need a reality check. I am not sure what this negativity is all about, but it doesn‘t help anyone in the next step.
I really hope Conte mixes things up today and the players put a couple of goals past Nottingham.
parj
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Totally agree. It's clear he can make an investment good but make a team win is different
I can’t really argue any of your points. What you say is true. However the management this season hasn’t been great.
Doesn’t use the squad very well. At the end of last season, we were solid at the back and effective going forward. This season, the complete opposite, leaky at the back in affective going forward
C-oops
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I'd hope that the new contract has been withdrawn by now
anydange
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Who’s gonna tell him?
wrd
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Just read his quotes and I think there's various things to take,
Do we lack patience as fans; I wholeheartedly agree, do I think that the club has to take a lot of the responsibility of that? Because the way the club communicates with us is absolutely terrible. They demand a lot of the fans and do not return in value what they demand of the fans.
Do I think Conte needed patience over his project; Yes I absolutely do, in terms of us going for the title, has he himself shown that patience towards his players? No, Has he shown that patience towards his actions in relation to the boards moves? No.
Do I think the demand of patience holds up to the scrutiny of what he is being judged on by the fans? No I don't. Does he need patience to get better performances out of this team, does he need patience to not perform consistently worse than teams who have less resources, does he need patience in order to overcome Sheffield United and not go out in the manner we did? No. Does he need patience to overcome a fairly average AC Milan team at home or at the very least produce a better performance? No.
So whilst fans do need to understand patience in the long term picture, he has claimed to have high standards, well I'm not seeing that evidenced judging by how low the bar of the quality that he is demanding patience and therefore acceptance of that low standard we have seen this season. He's shown none himself. When somebody is clearly unwilling to be introspective then it's difficult to see them being the one to change things.
Potter is under immense pressure, He's facing far different circumstances than us, I want to show you his response to the pressure.
"That's just the nature of football and obviously I haven't done enough at this club to have too much good faith and I also accept that as well. My job is to not worry too much about that.
That's a person taking responsibility and that's why I'm adamant he will succeed eventually. I just hope Chelsea make a mistake before it's with them.
Last season, Conte was taking responsibility, he is not in that place now, so I would suggest that mentally he's not where he needs to be and needs to take a step back and recalibrate or he needs to take a break.
Do we lack patience as fans; I wholeheartedly agree, do I think that the club has to take a lot of the responsibility of that? Because the way the club communicates with us is absolutely terrible. They demand a lot of the fans and do not return in value what they demand of the fans.
Do I think Conte needed patience over his project; Yes I absolutely do, in terms of us going for the title, has he himself shown that patience towards his players? No, Has he shown that patience towards his actions in relation to the boards moves? No.
Do I think the demand of patience holds up to the scrutiny of what he is being judged on by the fans? No I don't. Does he need patience to get better performances out of this team, does he need patience to not perform consistently worse than teams who have less resources, does he need patience in order to overcome Sheffield United and not go out in the manner we did? No. Does he need patience to overcome a fairly average AC Milan team at home or at the very least produce a better performance? No.
So whilst fans do need to understand patience in the long term picture, he has claimed to have high standards, well I'm not seeing that evidenced judging by how low the bar of the quality that he is demanding patience and therefore acceptance of that low standard we have seen this season. He's shown none himself. When somebody is clearly unwilling to be introspective then it's difficult to see them being the one to change things.
Potter is under immense pressure, He's facing far different circumstances than us, I want to show you his response to the pressure.
"That's just the nature of football and obviously I haven't done enough at this club to have too much good faith and I also accept that as well. My job is to not worry too much about that.
That's a person taking responsibility and that's why I'm adamant he will succeed eventually. I just hope Chelsea make a mistake before it's with them.
Last season, Conte was taking responsibility, he is not in that place now, so I would suggest that mentally he's not where he needs to be and needs to take a step back and recalibrate or he needs to take a break.
Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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The away fans are brilliant. TBF I think that's the case with most away fans of clubs.
As you say, the Klopp comparison is nonsense. It's challenging to think of two managers less alike.
One has a record for staying at clubs for at least seven years. The other has only ever stayed at one club for more than a couple of seasons, and even then, it was only three years.
One is associated with attacking football, which takes the game to the opponents, and the other with defence and counter-attacks.
One gives them the impression of being a club man through and through, and the other provides the impression that he is doing the club a favour by managing them.
Albertbarich
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Our fans are just like all sets of fans.
We have our moaners, dickheads, happy clappers, families etc. Nothing remarkable about us in terms of being overly negative or positive
Sure it sounds like we have some atmosphere issues at home but I think that's pretty common in new grounds as people find eachother so these singing sections can start.
Yiddo1982
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If we are letting the season play out, then we really need to officially communicate he will be leaving in May, and all parties are focused on spending the next two months trying to finish the season strongly. That would “release some pressure” from both sides, put a stop to these stupid press conferences, and allow the players to focus on football only.
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