Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

fishhhandaricecake · Nov 8, 2022

Timberwolf said:
Arsenal fans boo off their team at half-time in first home Prem game vs Chelsea

ARSENAL fans booed off their team at half-time in their first home Premier League game of the season against Chelsea. Goals from Romelu Lukaku and Reece James put a dominant Chelsea side 2-0 up at …

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Arteta issues baffling response to Arsenal fans booing players in Chelsea defeat

The Emirates was filled for the first time since before the pandemic, but it was an unhappy return for the Arsenal supporters as they were soundly beaten by Chelsea

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I don’t like him but he handled that chelsea loss interview very well tbh.

He also said that the gap in quality was too big at that time… sound familiar!!!

Time & Patience.

ajspurs · Nov 8, 2022

fishhhandaricecake said:
Love this, so true mate.

The Liverpool game 2nd half did feel a lot more like how we played end of last season when the style of play was perfectly nice to watch, we’ve not seen it much this season but with some players back from injury and a few upgrades in Jan we should be rocking and rolling again ?

It really did and I agree mate. I feel quite confident about the second half of the season really, with Kulusevski being back and fully fit and Richarlison being available again, whilst hopefully featuring on the left more now that we've realised just how important Kulusevski is. This along with the fact that as you say, additions in the January window being a possibility which may see us with a more quality CB (Romero, New CB, Lenglet being the back line may end up pivotal) as well as potentially a more up to speed Perisic and new RWB beside which could potentially have us looking really solid and with fantastic options, especially if we do get a Kulusevski understudy as well.

We have a good platform as of now, just need a few sprinkles of quality to bridge it all together really.

DarwinSpur · Nov 8, 2022

Timberwolf said:
Arsenal fans boo off their team at half-time in first home Prem game vs Chelsea

ARSENAL fans booed off their team at half-time in their first home Premier League game of the season against Chelsea. Goals from Romelu Lukaku and Reece James put a dominant Chelsea side 2-0 up at …

www.thesun.co.uk

Arteta issues baffling response to Arsenal fans booing players in Chelsea defeat

The Emirates was filled for the first time since before the pandemic, but it was an unhappy return for the Arsenal supporters as they were soundly beaten by Chelsea

www.mirror.co.uk

Pretty sure this was after two seasons of finishing 8th. Losing every preseason game (including to us), being spanked by Brentford on the opening day and then going down 2 to Chelsea by halftime right?

compared to us booing our team off at half time several times already this season despite having made top 4 and sitting top 4 after our best points start to a season ever etc etc etc...

Mate I've been in the stadium and trust me right now Spurs fans need to give their heads a wobble. We aren't doing our bit. At all

Timberwolf · Nov 8, 2022

DarwinSpur said:
Pretty sure this was after two seasons of finishing 8th. Losing every preseason game (including to us), being spanked by Brentford on the opening day and then going down 2 to Chelsea by halftime right?

compared to us booing our team off at half time several times already this season despite having made top 4 and sitting top 4 after our best points start to a season ever etc etc etc...

Mate I've been in the stadium and trust me right now Spurs fans need to give their heads a wobble. We aren't doing our bit. At all

Yeah fair enough - I do get your point. We really shouldn't be booing.

Wonder what the root cause of it is? I guess frustration at the style after years of suffering watching us play terribly in Poch's last season and then under Jose and Nuno? Then high hopes for this season under Conte only for us to play worse than at the end of last season with terrible first halves.

Doesn't justify it, though. Need to get behind the team.

DarwinSpur · Nov 8, 2022

carmeldevil said:
Ah so anecdotal ok.

How else are we supposed to judge these things?

Got all these people in here saying "Spurs fans aren't calling for Conte out". I literally had a whole group of them doing exactly that on Sunday in the south Stand.
Anecdotally - ie: from personal lived experience - our support base is behaving bizarrely awful at the moment. Right when our team needs us most. It's easy to support when you're winning all the time.

DarwinSpur · Nov 8, 2022

Timberwolf said:
Yeah fair enough - I do get your point. We really shouldn't be booing as much as we have been recently.

Wonder what the root cause of it is? I guess frustration at the style after years of suffering watching us play terribly in Poch's last season and then under Jose and Nuno?

Over expectations; not appreciating the impact of injuries; expecting Conte to change his system (he won't) then getting frustrated when he plays who he considers his best options available (ie: Royal) because he's the boss.

Also it's fucking awful seeing your team appear to be on the back foot all the time. But this isn't a product of design (like Mourinho) but of confidence and player availibity. Without excellent ball players in Romero and Kulu this system really struggles. But Conte won't change his system for short term gains.

Also it doesn't help when fans like Fishandrice insist we were shit in the first half against Liverpool. We weren't. Only someone who doesn't understand football would think that and unfortunately there seems to be a lot of Spurs fans who don't understand football. All the signs were good in that first half. We were doing what Conte wanted. It was obvious - so when people didn't get it (because of the scoreline) he gets frustrated and baffled.

DarwinSpur · Nov 8, 2022

BTW - I'm not a Conte "stan". I prefer Poch ball as a spectacle myself. But it's clear what he's trying to do and why and how he's going about it. Given what he achieved with us last year alone I'd expect our fanbase - even Pochball stans like myself - to get behind the fucking team.

fishhhandaricecake · Nov 8, 2022

ajspurs said:
It really did and I agree mate. I feel quite confident about the second half of the season really, with Kulusevski being back and fully fit and Richarlison being available again, whilst hopefully featuring on the left more now that we've realised just how important Kulusevski is. This along with the fact that as you say, additions in the January window being a possibility which may see us with a more quality CB (Romero, New CB, Lenglet being the back line may end up pivotal) as well as potentially a more up to speed Perisic and new RWB beside which could potentially have us looking really solid and with fantastic options, especially if we do get a Kulusevski understudy as well.

We have a good platform as of now, just need a few sprinkles of quality to bridge it all together really.

Absolutely exactly how I feel mate, it’s tough right now and recE you especially some of the performances but it’s just part of the process and like you say with Kulu and richy back, richy more on the left, upgrades are RWB and CB and mabye another AM, Perisic more settled etc etc I can see our performances picking up back more towards end of last season levels.

If we’d never seen any good football or results under conte I’d be concerned but we have seen both of those in fits and starts and phases and we all know he’s an incredible world class manager who knows what he’s doing so I think we need to suck it up with the recent performances and trust him and as he keeps saying over and over give him time and patience and 2-3 more transfer windows and we will be an animal of a team then playing good football and winning lots of games, I really do think so.

bc205 · Nov 8, 2022

Timberwolf said:
Yeah fair enough - I do get your point. We really shouldn't be booing.

Wonder what the root cause of it is? I guess frustration at the style after years of suffering watching us play terribly in Poch's last season and then under Jose and Nuno? Then high hopes for this season under Conte only for us to play worse than at the end of last season with terrible first halves.

Doesn't justify it, though. Need to get behind the team.

Let's be honest, while there's definitely some justified frustration, there's also just a lot of rank entitlement in our fanbase at the moment.

The amount of anger a lot of our fans have towards the club and players at the moment is just ridiculous, especially as we're having a successful season.

The constant tantrums in the stadium and the match day threads here, the booing and abuse of the players. Most of it is just fucking pathetic entitlement. It's exactly what we've spent years mocking Arsenal fans for, and it's embarassing to see so much of it in our fanbase at the moment.

thebenjamin · Nov 8, 2022

Timberwolf said:
Yeah fair enough - I do get your point. We really shouldn't be booing.

Wonder what the root cause of it is? I guess frustration at the style after years of suffering watching us play terribly in Poch's last season and then under Jose and Nuno? Then high hopes for this season under Conte only for us to play worse than at the end of last season with terrible first halves.

Doesn't justify it, though. Need to get behind the team.

A lot of our fans are absolute twats. There's a good proportion of them who only attend matches to spew hatred from the moment they arrive. They actually prefer it when we lose so they can seem right about how shit we are.

rossdapep · Nov 8, 2022

ajspurs said:
It really did and I agree mate. I feel quite confident about the second half of the season really, with Kulusevski being back and fully fit and Richarlison being available again, whilst hopefully featuring on the left more now that we've realised just how important Kulusevski is. This along with the fact that as you say, additions in the January window being a possibility which may see us with a more quality CB (Romero, New CB, Lenglet being the back line may end up pivotal) as well as potentially a more up to speed Perisic and new RWB beside which could potentially have us looking really solid and with fantastic options, especially if we do get a Kulusevski understudy as well.

We have a good platform as of now, just need a few sprinkles of quality to bridge it all together really.

Also important to add that Son has been well below par. Only 3 goals and poor performances.

Last season he was on fire second half of season, so we may have that to look forward to as well.

Freddie · Nov 8, 2022

The Klopp/Arteta comparisons are pointless. I don't think anyone truly believes Conte will be here in 4 years, least of all him. That's one of the main reasons why there is more urgency to get back on track fast.

wishkah · Nov 8, 2022

I don’t think many posters are arguing with the idea it’s a process or that we can improve on conte. But it would be nice if he stopped hinting he might leave every time something goes wrong. Feels like the first step to progress is his deal

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Nov 8, 2022

Just back him and we
will continue on an upward trajectory.

He has a winning way to play football alongside a winning mentality.

He wouldn't be the man to get the best out of average players as his system relies on quality players in each position to make it work. Hence him talking about needing a couple of windows. We see how poor the system looks with one or two of our quality players out and we can also see the benefit if we had a decent RWB and another CB.

But with time and patience the system can see us as champions. It'd be crazy to throw that away for a manager that might get more out of our current players and might have us playing more front foot football but we would still need to try to compete with City. Conte has a winning formula, so if we want to be champions we should stick with him.

I know some of the football is currently dire, but we've also seen under Conte that our football can be exciting and it will keep improving with each new quality player we buy.

fishhhandaricecake · Nov 8, 2022

Freddie said:
The Klopp/Arteta comparisons are pointless. I don't think anyone truly believes Conte will be here in 4 years, least of all him. That's one of the main reasons why there is more urgency to get back on track fast.

I think he could be here for another 3-4 seasons if we back him. We are the most similar in set-up to when he was at Juve with Paratici and he did 3 season there. As his assistant said today he and conte don’t actively look to leave clubs they’ve left for changes in circumstances… Chelsea was/is a circus managerial merry-go-round and Inter we’re in financial trouble. I think given the Paratici relationship and our increasing funding Conte could well stick around to build something here, only things possibly stopping that would be if Levy went back on any promises and/or if Conte missed his family too much and wanted to move back to Juve/Italy.

We shall see but I think there is a reasonable chance he could stay with us for a few years ??

C1w8 · Nov 8, 2022

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
Just back him and we
will continue on an upward trajectory.

He has a winning way to play football alongside a winning mentality.

He wouldn't be the man to get the best out of average players as his system relies on quality players in each position to make it work. Hence him talking about needing a couple of windows. We see how poor the system looks with one or two of our quality players out and we can also see the benefit if we had a decent RWB and another CB.

But with time and patience the system can see us as champions. It'd be crazy to throw that away for a manager that might get more out of our current players and might have us playing more front foot football but we would still need to try to compete with City. Conte has a winning formula, so if we want to be champions we should stick with him.

I know some of the football is currently dire, but we've also seen under Conte that our football can be exciting and it will keep improving with each new quality player we buy.

I suppose the point of any dissenters (of which im not one, im just glad to be in the mix for CL spots any which it comes) is that there is still uncertainty that he stays. And even if he does stay, it doesn't guarantee trophies, or even a trophy, singular.

As much as i dont disagree with the "if we back him" arguement, you could say the same with jose, or late Poch period. If we back anyone with credentials then maybe they do it for us.

Heres hoping we back conte and it bears fruit, but i do also feel like people talk like its too much of a given that it will pay dividends.

Freddie · Nov 8, 2022

Maybe you're right but I think you've placed a hell of a lot of value on our set-up being similar to Juve's . They're the team he spent most of his career with, and more importantly they're the richest and most successful team in Italy who gave him a realistic chance to win trophies every year. That's probably the main reason he was there 3 years.

spursfast · Nov 8, 2022

matthew.absurdum said:
I really enjoy what I saw in yesterday's second half. The best kind of Tottenham Football since Poch 2018
We just need to do it not just in second half after the WC

why not do it in the first half instead, and work on control in the second half , opposition team can work us out now

what's the damm prob on changing for once if what your doing is not working

SaKkA.kenchiku · Nov 9, 2022

From reading this thread, I am starting to wonder if the problem with Spurs is the fan base…. It seems we are the only ones trying to break something that is in progression and showing clear Positive signs. Not even Conte is having an emotional wobble and seems to relatively happy at Spurs and where it is going.

It is us fans that are the consistent, its what other fans comment on why they dislike us (Our delusion of grandeur). Even Souness is highlighting the negative and anit support in big games…. Booing at halftime instead of driving them on….. and calling for a great manager to be sacked because a few results aren’t going our way while we have countless injuries…. So soon as it wobbles no matter how great a player or manager is we tend to destroy it. Not all of us but enough that it resonates to the board, levy, the manager and the players…..

Karol · Nov 9, 2022

SaKkA.kenchiku said:
From reading this thread, I am starting to wonder if the problem with Spurs is the fan base…. It seems we are the only ones trying to break something that is in progression and showing clear Positive signs. Not even Conte is having an emotional wobble and seems to relatively happy at Spurs and where it is going.

It is us fans that are the consistent, its what other fans comment on why they dislike us (Our delusion of grandeur). Even Souness is highlighting the negative and anit support in big games…. Booing at halftime instead of driving them on….. and calling for a great manager to be sacked because a few results aren’t going our way while we have countless injuries…. So soon as it wobbles no matter how great a player or manager is we tend to destroy it. Not all of us but enough that it resonates to the board, levy, the manager and the players…..

It's not the fan base as a whole that are booing and wanting Conte to be sacked

It's a tiny minority

You make it sound as if it's all of us, which it plainly is not

You cannot please all of the people all of the time, some will have a different point of view, that's normal and that's life

It's the same at every club

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