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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

fishhhandaricecake

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Personally, I don't think that it has anything to do with his contract, I think that it's a mixture of impatience and frustration because people are looking over at Newcastle and Arsenal.
I think Arsenal and Newcastle are certainly part of it but its also a build up of 3 years of anti-possession style of football in combination with a lot of the same players making mistakes and letting us down, rightly or wrongly some of the fans are at the end of their tether with the product they're receiving.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Some booed them off half time and then when we pulled 1 back some started singing Antonio ooooo ....why ?
Well I would say that in the first half it was a very very difficult watch if I'm honest, we had 35% posession and 2 shots and barely any touches in their box so there was really very little to cheer about and we were 2-0 down.

2nd half we looked a completely different team, penned them back a lot and created a good number of chances and it was exciting to watch so when we scored the fans had something to believe in with the way we were playing that 2nd half. Some might say that is fickle but I think it goes much deeper than that based on what our fans sat through with Jose and Nuno etc, there is a lot of scar tissue from that style of play and how directionless the club seemed. Add to that Conte hasn't signed a new deal there is a sense of impatience and worry and frustration amongst the fans. They know Conte is great and if he commits to use they should/will be more patient and less boo's I believe but at the same time when the football served up is like it has been and was during that 1st half lets not lie its a very tough watch so the fans are booing at the product they're receiving, rightly or wrongly.
 

Trix

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Hopefully a good opportunity to do that during the WC
Well as I've said there were talks going on a few weeks ago before Ventrone died. He still has a nother 18 months though so there's no rush and if it were me in his position I might delay to keep Levy honest.
 

Trix

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Of course they can but to the average fan it's not the best look for him to ask for patience when he hasn't committed beyond this season

Renowned hot headed ultra demanding manager on an 18 month project hardly screams project..

And this post is purely me being devil's advocate as I think he is a genius who would get as much time as he needs if it were up to me but I'm looking for perspective around the impatience.
I don't know why people are conveniently forgetting the club has a 12 month option to extend, keeping him under contract until 2023. I don't think that would be the best way to proceed but it's the clubs option not Conte's.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Well as I've said there were talks going on a few weeks ago before Ventrone died. He still has another 18 months though so there's no rush and if it were me in his position I might delay to keep Levy honest.
I suppose we can take up that 1 year extension option if all parties agree however I'd love to see us draw out a new contract until the end of 2024-25 really get all sides to buy in but yea keeping Levy honest is probably also a good ploy just longer it goes on the less stability the fanbase sees/feels.
 

Trix

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I suppose we can take up that 1 year extension option if all parties agree however I'd love to see us draw out a new contract until the end of 2024-25 really get all sides to buy in but yea keeping Levy honest is probably also a good ploy just longer it goes on the less stability the fanbase sees/feels.
All parties have already agreed to this, that's why it's part of his contract already. As I say I don't think it would be the ideal way to proceed but it's not the doom an gloom of him being out of contract in the Summer some are playing on. That extra year was agreed by both parties because of the size of contract financially giving the club a get out if things went horribly wrong it wouldn't cost 4 years salary at £15mil to move him on. Conte being the principled man he is completely agreed with this.
 

marion52

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To quote Roy Keane, some of the home fans haven't a clue what they are talking about. On Sunday, I had the fella behind me shouting at Kane to pressure the Liverpool defenders when they were knocking it between them. Kane goes and does that, he's not getting the ball because he's outnumbered, he wastes energy doing it and he leaves a hole in the middle of the park behind him which is what Fabinho was waiting for (and if someone pushed on up Fabinho, Firmino was lurking in between the lines for the next pass).

The amount of shouts I hear at every game to "just get it forward" is scary. Yeah, you should always look to get the ball forward as your first option but if there is nothing on, you have to go sideways or backwards. It can be frustrating to watch but "just getting it forward" will usually result in lost possession.

I hold my hands up as I sometimes shout that, but this is when Dier and Lloris are passing it in front of the goal while being pressed by the opposition. Often resulting in danger, and even a goal!
Apart from the result I enjoyed the game, we played some good stuff.
I wonder if some booing was because of Diers decision making??‍♀️
 

fishhhandaricecake

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All parties have already agreed to this, that's why it's part of his contract already. As I say I don't think it would be the ideal way to proceed but it's not the doom an gloom of him being out of contract in the Summer some are playing on. That extra year was agreed by both parties because of the size of contract financially giving the club a get out if things went horribly wrong it wouldn't cost 4 years salary at £15mil to move him on. Conte being the principled man he is completely agreed with this.
Oh that is promising then thanks for detailing that mate ??
 

g_harry

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My wonder is if Conte is buying into this will he keep playing his cards close to his chest and just agree to a further 1 year extension to the end of 2023-24 season or will he perhaps sign a 2 year extension to 2024-25 season, I'd really love to see him sign the latter as a statement of intent but the way he works I think it will be the former unfortunately but that would be better than him leaving at least. Lets see how it pans out.
Conte obviously using it to leverage Levy to commit to changing the ethos of the club. He clearly has reservations that the club are willing to push on and put in place what is required to challenge for the title. Poch had previoulsy highlighted this. I think it good sign if he does sign though.
 

Gb160

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Randomly shouting "push up" irrespective of where the ball is or any of the players are is my favourite
I’ve always been fond of the ‘CLEAR IT!’ shout when one of our defenders is under pressure.
I bet that tactical gem never crossed the mind of the elite footballer before Terry the forklift driver from Harlow bellowed it.
 

bc205

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This is something worth considering.

I've been totally priced out of going and I'm sure others are in a similar boat.

They have set the prices at the top end (likely the highest in the world) so the stadium will have plenty of tourists or corporate people on days out .

When you market yourself like that(elite) then that probably does create a more demanding, less supportive environment.

When I go it is to support but if your primarily there for entertainment or maybe you're just fed up then you will let your frustration out if the product isn't what you have paid for.

As someone who has a season ticket in one the sections full of tourists (102), i would have to completely disagree with this mate.

In my experience most of the tourists are pretty positive all game, although obviously they don't sing very much.

The vast majority of the boos and groans i hear each game are coming from the south stand, which is the season ticket holders and other hardcore spurs fans.

To be honest, i much prefer sitting in a section with a lot of tourists, compared to my seat in the old ground with the more traditional hardcore fans. Much more positive atmosphere now, compared to the ususal old pissheads who spent most of the game moaning and shouting at the players.

It's also really nice talking to people who have been desperate to come to a spurs game for most of their adult life and are finally getting the chance to fulfill their dream. Much more interesting to talk about that than listen to someone calling Eric Dier a donkey for 90 minutes anyway...
 

Metalhead

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I think Arsenal and Newcastle are certainly part of it but its also a build up of 3 years of anti-possession style of football in combination with a lot of the same players making mistakes and letting us down, rightly or wrongly some of the fans are at the end of their tether with the product they're receiving.
For sure but what's the point of keeping changing and changing? I appreciate that you're not personally saying "change" but surely people must realise that it's a process and it's a process with a top coach?
 

Push & Run

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Well I would say that in the first half it was a very very difficult watch if I'm honest, we had 35% posession and 2 shots and barely any touches in their box so there was really very little to cheer about and we were 2-0 down.

2nd half we looked a completely different team, penned them back a lot and created a good number of chances and it was exciting to watch so when we scored the fans had something to believe in with the way we were playing that 2nd half. Some might say that is fickle but I think it goes much deeper than that based on what our fans sat through with Jose and Nuno etc, there is a lot of scar tissue from that style of play and how directionless the club seemed. Add to that Conte hasn't signed a new deal there is a sense of impatience and worry and frustration amongst the fans. They know Conte is great and if he commits to use they should/will be more patient and less boo's I believe but at the same time when the football served up is like it has been and was during that 1st half lets not lie its a very tough watch so the fans are booing at the product they're receiving, rightly or wrongly.
Good points, but why the difference between halves. Has anyone mentioned the fact that ED attacked on the right hand side supplying 3 very dangerous crosses, no we all remember one mistake. Does anyone remark about the sudden changed in Peri delivery, no we all remember non existant first half crosses. Does anyone highlight energy and pace from all players, no we remember slow static build up. What I am trying to say is why cannot we not take the game to the opposition from the off. If we did we could be a very different entertaining team who we all love and rejoyce in. The frustrating thing is we are so close to being a very good team but is missing that ingredient that pulls the players and fans together as one. What that is I have no idea or I would be a football manager.
 

Trix

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Good points, but why the difference between halves. Has anyone mentioned the fact that ED attacked on the right hand side supplying 3 very dangerous crosses, no we all remember one mistake. Does anyone remark about the sudden changed in Peri delivery, no we all remember non existant first half crosses. Does anyone highlight energy and pace from all players, no we remember slow static build up. What I am trying to say is why cannot we not take the game to the opposition from the off. If we did we could be a very different entertaining team who we all love and rejoyce in. The frustrating thing is we are so close to being a very good team but is missing that ingredient that pulls the players and fans together as one. What that is I have no idea or I would be a football manager.
For the same reason Forwards don't get massive stick for missing a tackle at the opposite end of the pitch but they do get stick for missing a sitter. It's great that he got forward and made a difference from an attacking POV but remember he's a defender, and his defensive duties are the priority and pivotal to us winning or losing.

Quite simply the players are being dug out week in week out, even by Conte and his staff now about how we start games. Trust me if it was an intentional instruction from the staff, it would have been leaked by now. The players will 100% buy into philosophies but they won't be continually blamed if it's not their fault.
 

RuskyM

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I think Arsenal and Newcastle are certainly part of it but its also a build up of 3 years of anti-possession style of football in combination with a lot of the same players making mistakes and letting us down, rightly or wrongly some of the fans are at the end of their tether with the product they're receiving.
Yeah it's 100% this. Fans aren't angry at being behind against one of the best club sides we've seen (I know they're underperforming right now). They're exasperated because they've been told for years now that we have to play this way if we don't want to lose to the big boys, and are paying a fortune to, uh, watch us lose against the big boys.
 

Metalhead

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Yeah it's 100% this. Fans aren't angry at being behind against one of the best club sides we've seen (I know they're underperforming right now). They're exasperated because they've been told for years now that we have to play this way if we don't want to lose to the big boys, and are paying a fortune to, uh, watch us lose against the big boys.
True but again, if anyone thought that we are at the culmination of Conte's project and what we are seeing is the zenith of his strategy then literally everyone would be f*cked off but it isn't.
 

homer hotspur

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Yeah it's 100% this. Fans aren't angry at being behind against one of the best club sides we've seen (I know they're underperforming right now). They're exasperated because they've been told for years now that we have to play this way if we don't want to lose to the big boys, and are paying a fortune to, uh, watch us lose against the big boys.
But, if I was a player or Conte I would just hear the booing , I wouldn't be considering what complicated reasoning might be used to try and justify it.
 

Gilzeanking

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This has prolly been dealt with elsewhere, but is there any reason why Antonio didn't do the Presser vs Forest ?
 
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