Ribble
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He just had knee surgery so he's not going anywhere this window.
Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele
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He just had knee surgery so he's not going anywhere this window.
E17yid
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Such a shame how this has panned out. He was meant to be the most important piece in the jigsaw. The Dembele replacement but better, with all his strengths and none of his weaknesses.
Still hope but even if he stays and gets his head down I don’t think we’re set up to see him flourish under NES anyway. That and the chances of him turning it around are small to begin with.
It’s highly unlikely he goes anywhere this window and surely he knows this so you’d think a reality check will see him straight but he’s obviously going to need an arm round him as well. Will be a good test of Nuno’s man management.
Still hope but even if he stays and gets his head down I don’t think we’re set up to see him flourish under NES anyway. That and the chances of him turning it around are small to begin with.
It’s highly unlikely he goes anywhere this window and surely he knows this so you’d think a reality check will see him straight but he’s obviously going to need an arm round him as well. Will be a good test of Nuno’s man management.
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I don't think his work rate in terms of winning the ball back or dropping into a defensive position is the major issue.
It's the fact that he doesn't have the desire to be involved ALL the time. He'll have a 10 or 20 minute spell where you think he's dominating and then suddenly disappear.
I imagine the coaches have been trying to get him to be a player who is constantly wanting the ball, constantly looking to set the pace but after a 10 or 20 minute burst he drops his intensity and waits for the ball to come to him.
You can't do that in this area of the field. You need to be all action and tirelessly wanting the ball. His threshold to it seems to be low mentally. He doesn't want it enough.
It's the fact that he doesn't have the desire to be involved ALL the time. He'll have a 10 or 20 minute spell where you think he's dominating and then suddenly disappear.
I imagine the coaches have been trying to get him to be a player who is constantly wanting the ball, constantly looking to set the pace but after a 10 or 20 minute burst he drops his intensity and waits for the ball to come to him.
You can't do that in this area of the field. You need to be all action and tirelessly wanting the ball. His threshold to it seems to be low mentally. He doesn't want it enough.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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It's just fickle fan mentality.
"FFS Levy get it done, pay what the selling club demand and the player demands in wages no matter how ridiculous it is"
then a season or so later when the players hasn't performed
"FFS Levy just give him away, you're asking for too much money, he's shit, why did we pay so much for this waste of space!"
and rinse and repeat....
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In fairness it was more of a reactionary comment to the current situation with Tanguy. Hence using the word muppet and including his pal (who is in a similar boat). Rather than a calculated transfer proposal.
Not to dig either. But I wouldn’t take everything everyone says seriously all the time on here. Find there are equal parts members who just wanna have a moan to those that want to have a serious discussion.
Edit: I’m useless at quoting ffs ??
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From my point of view all the managers have a serious part to play in what's going on with Tanguy. Obviously the buck probably stops with him, but a crucial part of the job is managing players, which it doesn't seem Nuno is even attempting to do.
Jose castigated him in the press, but it did lead to him becoming an important part of the team under him. He was also extremely productive for us last season, based on the stats. If you look at the kind of names linked in the press to take Ndombele, Bayern, the Spanish clubs, I think it shows that we'd be mad to move him on for a cut price deal.
Jose castigated him in the press, but it did lead to him becoming an important part of the team under him. He was also extremely productive for us last season, based on the stats. If you look at the kind of names linked in the press to take Ndombele, Bayern, the Spanish clubs, I think it shows that we'd be mad to move him on for a cut price deal.
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Based on skewing stats, maybe, but actually productivity, no he wasn't. You can lay the blame at managers all you want, but Jose, Poch, Mason and Nuno are all different personalities and have struggled to get this chump doing anything of note. Sometimes you just have to admit you've backed the wrong horse. We most certainly did in this case.
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And that's been explained numerous times, Nuno is choosing to leave him out whilst they look to move him on, if they don't find a move then I guarantee he will be apart of the first team, it's happened a thousand times when players look to move and don't get it, at this club also. I've brought this in here as I thought I was in Ndombele thread originally.
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If he doesn't get his move, of course he'll be brought back into the fold.
He's our record signing and one of the highest paid players in the squad, there's no way we'd just ignore him.
He may want to leave but he's looked happy enough in the training pics, so while he may not feature enough as we'd like, or be as good as we'd want, he'll still get some game time.
He's still got talent, maybe not the drive but if we never play him, we're never going to be able to sell him.
He's our record signing and one of the highest paid players in the squad, there's no way we'd just ignore him.
He may want to leave but he's looked happy enough in the training pics, so while he may not feature enough as we'd like, or be as good as we'd want, he'll still get some game time.
He's still got talent, maybe not the drive but if we never play him, we're never going to be able to sell him.
Spurs_Bear
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It's the ITK thread and we had ITK this morning to say Ndombele doesn't care and we just cant get him motivated.
Nuno raised the issue of motivation when asked why the former Lyon man is not being selected.
"What happened in the past I can't even think about, I don't mention out of respect," he said.
"What I can tell you is that Tanguy is with us, he works but we have to speak honestly and to take the best out of Tanguy [it] has to come from himself.
"I don't want to go much further than that but it has to come from himself.
"We already had a chance to talk but it must come from himself. I said it before, my job here is not to convince players to play for Tottenham Hotspur, it is to prepare players to play for Tottenham Hotspur."
Sorry, but that isn't a coach saying he's not picking him because he wants to leave, he's not picking him because he's being a ****.
The ITK is literally taking you Cult of Tanguy to water but you are refusing to drink it.
wrd
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The ITK isn't gospel, ITK last summer said he was leaving and this and that aswell and you got on your high horse then with similar bollocks to your last sentence and then guess what? He started the majority of games for Jose and was getting praised for his attitude. You're just going off on conjecture saying what you think the coach has said based on your biases and you somehow think that if he doesn't get sold we're just going to leave him with the reserves like we did Rose, despite the fact (the only fact in all this so far) that he's still training with the first team. If he leaves then he'll have been a failure but I'm absolutely adamant you will be wrong about him playing for the u23's and I'm adamant that talk of terminating his contract is stupid at best.
Spurs_Bear
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A lot of people seem very confident in this, but the timeline doesn't stack. Everything I can see says that Ndombele asked to leave the club this year after being left out of every pre season squad and game. So this bit about him only not being selected because he's looking for a move doesn't stack up. I genuinely hope we get rid before the window is out, otherwise we've got a massive problem on our hands.
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I wouldn't say I'm confident, afterall, I don't know Nuno or Tanguy but for the amount of money involved, it doesn't make any sense to snub him.
I would've thought that he wanted to leave before pre-season had even started, which was why he was left out.
I don't think he wants to leave because he was left out.
He wouldn't be the first player to want to leave a club during a window, not get his move and be reintegrated.
DiVaio
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The Athletic who literally broke this stories and would trust them more than dragon1 said he isn't playing because uncertainty around his future, if Ndombele stays he will fight for his place and that "Nuno is aware that Ndombele has skills, like making line-breaking passes, resisting the opposition press and progressing Spurs up the pitch in a way that none of his other midfielders can. "
Spurs_Bear
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It's funny how you revert to calling it all bollocks when clearly you have no argument. I don't know where talk has come from about terminating contracts, don't think I've mentioned it. I'm not sure about ITK from last year, I'll go back and check, not sure I remember anyone saying he was definitely leaving.
I'm going off quotes from Nuno, where are yours about reintegration? It's a pretty clear situation.
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It’s nothing to do with the managers. We all know how Jose, Mason, now Nuno and also Deschamps feel about him. Poch may have played him but did so while explaining that his fitness was likely years — actual fucking years — away from PL standard.
He’s a rotten egg. Seems to believe he’s entitled to be unfit, entitled not to have to do the hard work in the engine room, entitled to be on a winning team without having to earn it, all because he’s God’s gift to football.
I can’t believe there are people in this thread excusing his attitude because we haven’t been as good as he thought we’d be when he joined. Have his backers not thought to ask why we haven’t been a CL-level club? The negligent mismanagement of the recruitment side of the club from Levy, et al has surely played a big role, but just as surely is the total and complete failure to adequately replace Dembele — Tanguy’s total and complete failure.
It’s hardly a fucking surprise we haven’t been as good as we once were when the player bought to be the lynchpin of our midfield has made himself into the worst signing in the club’s entire history through his own disgraceful lack of work rate and professionalism. That’s not a fucking valid reason for him to continue to be a disgrace. He needs to buck up or fuck off.
He’s a rotten egg. Seems to believe he’s entitled to be unfit, entitled not to have to do the hard work in the engine room, entitled to be on a winning team without having to earn it, all because he’s God’s gift to football.
I can’t believe there are people in this thread excusing his attitude because we haven’t been as good as he thought we’d be when he joined. Have his backers not thought to ask why we haven’t been a CL-level club? The negligent mismanagement of the recruitment side of the club from Levy, et al has surely played a big role, but just as surely is the total and complete failure to adequately replace Dembele — Tanguy’s total and complete failure.
It’s hardly a fucking surprise we haven’t been as good as we once were when the player bought to be the lynchpin of our midfield has made himself into the worst signing in the club’s entire history through his own disgraceful lack of work rate and professionalism. That’s not a fucking valid reason for him to continue to be a disgrace. He needs to buck up or fuck off.
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wrd
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I said your line having a sad dig with "cult of tanguy" is bollocks. I wasn't calling the ITK bollocks. That was pretty clear so don't misrepresent what I said. You were the one quoting me when I responded to somebody talking about terminating his contract. There was plenty of ITK last year about his attitude and yet Jose regularly started and praised him for his attitude and evolution. That's a fact.
It's very clear I've had an argument, I've explained it numerous times, you're just poor at disputing it. My argument is and again It's a fact, he is training with the first team still so evidently he will not be playing for the u23's as you put.
Spurs_Bear
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But read Nuno's quotes, he's not saying anything along the same lines and I think I'd believe him over the Athletic wouldn't you?
DiVaio
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He also said this about Kane first and look who played against Wolves.
This quote says exactly what The Athletic. He isn’t currently playing because he would like to leave, then he will use him
spurmin
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Totally agree with this but unfortunately football is run as a business and much as I would like him to buck up or fuck off it’s never going to happen unless the club get a a significant fee for him.
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