Avoiding another injury crisis when there is literally no time between games this season and when we’ve had injury crises in each of the last 2-3 seasons is almost impossible.
Realistic expectations for 2020-21?
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Spurs 1961
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No more predicting a league title now. Realistically a top 8 is I guess our target. With massive improvements at most of our rivals + the upswing in fortunes of some other clubs makes competition hard. Allied with the fact that we are weaker now than we were a year or two ago and the best we can hope for is some stability.
Timberwolf
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Yeah you're probably right, but fingers crossed it's not all of our most important players. Son and Kane at the same time is about as bad as it can get for us.
We also went about half a season without Lo Celso last year who ended up being one of our most important players in the 2nd half of the season, so there's that too. (Assuming Lo Celso is alive, that is)
SecretLemonadeDrinker
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What a bizarre way of looking at things!
What is the relevance of the selling club’s position in the table? We didn’t buy that club! We bought their player.
To show you how nonsensical that kind of attitude is, consider which clubs provided the players that constitute the bulk of the current Liverpool team that ran away with the league last season (and came within a whisker of winning it the previous season with a record number of points for a team in second):
Van Dijk, Mane, Lovren and Lallana - Southampton.
Gomez - Charlton
Robertson - Hull
Wijnaldum - Newcastle
Henderson - Sunderland
Shaqiri - Stoke
All of them at the same level as or below the clubs that we’ve just signed players from that you sneer at. So, really, belittling our signings on the basis of the clubs from which they were signed is just plain wrong. It’s players themselves that matter, and what they can bring to OUR club. That is all.
SecretLemonadeDrinker
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I did actually read your post before the edit but was unable to reply at the time. Anyway, you were probably right in the first instance that I am a bit of a w****r!
As to the rest, I don’t believe that my original response was impolite but I am nevertheless sorry that you perceived it to be so. I must also point out that I didn’t at any time accuse you of sneering at Spurs. I said that you had sneered at the fact that we had signed players from clubs that finished below us in the table. I don’t believe that I was wrong in that regard.
Lastly, with respect, I think you are making the same mistake in your response to me as you made in your initial post - namely, that you are judging signings on the wrong criteria. In your first post, you judged signings on the club that they came from; in your second, you have judged them on how much they cost. Neither criterion is of critical importance. We’ve made plenty of expensive bad signings, after all, and plenty of great, comparatively cheap signings.
I repeat, all that matters is the player himself and how he fits into his new team. Cost and previous club are not directly relevant factors.
yiddo
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I have seen a couple of people indicate similar but I don’t agree.
We do not have a Eriksen/Grealish/B.Fernandes/Modric type player within our ranks. Ndombele maybe the closest but anyone who believes he’s suddenly going to flourish under Jose is being highly optimistic.
Lo Celso and Winks in particular, whether they are given more freedom or not, I don’t believe will give us the creative ideas that we have seen already on many occasions we lack.
Doherty’s strength is not his creative end product, he’ll make runs into the box and attack the back post sure. But creating chances like TAA, Robertson or Trippier he definitely does not.
rossdapep
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Still have to see how the rest of the window goes really, even up until October we won't have a clear picture.
Not just us but other clubs too.
If we can bring in Daka and a CB, and Ndombele starts to shine I think we can really get in amongst it.
If it's Milik or Diallo plus a CB and Ndombele then I think we can certainly get top 4, but perhaps it depends a bit more on other comps and how we fair.
The reason I say that isn't just about us. I honestly think this season has the potential to be a very strange one.
If Liverpool finished 4th I wouldnt be surprised, they've given a lot these last 2-3 years and without fresh blood it may become an issue for them.
If City finished 4th, I wouldn't be surprised, they lost 7 games last season and were dumped out of cups by Arsenal and Lyon plus David Silva will be a big miss. They've also not signed anyone to take them up another level IMO. Torres is talented but I don't think he's as good as Sane.
If United finished 5th or 6th I wouldn't be surprised. This season with all the attacking talent on display, defences will need to be on point to have a chance of winning stuff and I think United have a lot of problems with defence and game management.
If Chelsea finished 6th, I wouldn't be surprised. They've signed 5 players so far and they haven't really had a chance to play with each other yet, not too mention Lampard has big questions over him and It'll be curious to see how a young manager can get 5 big signings into the team effectively.
I think it promises to be very exciting. Hopefully we can get the players Jose wants so he can give it a good shot.
Not just us but other clubs too.
If we can bring in Daka and a CB, and Ndombele starts to shine I think we can really get in amongst it.
If it's Milik or Diallo plus a CB and Ndombele then I think we can certainly get top 4, but perhaps it depends a bit more on other comps and how we fair.
The reason I say that isn't just about us. I honestly think this season has the potential to be a very strange one.
If Liverpool finished 4th I wouldnt be surprised, they've given a lot these last 2-3 years and without fresh blood it may become an issue for them.
If City finished 4th, I wouldn't be surprised, they lost 7 games last season and were dumped out of cups by Arsenal and Lyon plus David Silva will be a big miss. They've also not signed anyone to take them up another level IMO. Torres is talented but I don't think he's as good as Sane.
If United finished 5th or 6th I wouldn't be surprised. This season with all the attacking talent on display, defences will need to be on point to have a chance of winning stuff and I think United have a lot of problems with defence and game management.
If Chelsea finished 6th, I wouldn't be surprised. They've signed 5 players so far and they haven't really had a chance to play with each other yet, not too mention Lampard has big questions over him and It'll be curious to see how a young manager can get 5 big signings into the team effectively.
I think it promises to be very exciting. Hopefully we can get the players Jose wants so he can give it a good shot.
spids
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As we stand today I think we will be lucky to finish top 4 as without serious back up / competition for Kane we will struggle when he is injured and/or jaded. However, sign a decent striker to share the burden up front, as well as offering us a plan B when we need a goal, and I think we can compete for 3rd or 4th and potentially win a trophy.
Pat Rice Spurs fan
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5th in the league
or 6th in the league and a cup final
or 8th in the league and win the Europa cup
or 6th in the league and a cup final
or 8th in the league and win the Europa cup
Bet Christmas is a hoot at your place, no suprises
rossdapep
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Eh?
spids
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He was joking that as you don't get surprised easily Christmas may not be much fun.
fishhhandaricecake
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spot on brilliant post.
fishhhandaricecake
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As we stand with no ST,LB or creative CM/AM I think we would finish 6th and get to a cup semi.
If we sign a good 2nd striker and a creative CM/AM who is an upgrade on Lucas/Lamela then that could push us up to 4th and a cup final, right now we don't have enough creativity or attacking depth quality.
Another good LB would be a bonus but i think a combination of Davies, Tanganga and Sess/Cirkin could see us through at least until January.
If we sign a good 2nd striker and a creative CM/AM who is an upgrade on Lucas/Lamela then that could push us up to 4th and a cup final, right now we don't have enough creativity or attacking depth quality.
Another good LB would be a bonus but i think a combination of Davies, Tanganga and Sess/Cirkin could see us through at least until January.
yido_number1
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Right now we are on course for exactly what happened last season. We need to effectively play two different 11's for the weeks we've got two or three games a week. If we don't we'll be fucked by Christmas.
whitelanefever
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It's one of those seasons where it's almost impossible to predict.. With Covid teams are gonna have players going into quarantine added to restructuring of fixtures for Afcon qualifiers & if South American World Cup qualifiers go ahead on top of already congested fixture list it's a bit of a nightmare.
My hope is that we can challenge for fourth as squad stands.. My fear is fixture list will do us & we could struggle. Lot depends on remaining transfers, we could do with a Midfielder that's a top notch passer & a striker.. If we could get a striker to not just be back up but also play with Kane then we could possibly even challenge for title.
My hope is that we can challenge for fourth as squad stands.. My fear is fixture list will do us & we could struggle. Lot depends on remaining transfers, we could do with a Midfielder that's a top notch passer & a striker.. If we could get a striker to not just be back up but also play with Kane then we could possibly even challenge for title.
Phomesy
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I'm usually fairly optimistic but I'm just not feeling it this year.
Hoping that Mourinho can get us back to be bloody hard to score against. Our best years under Poch were based on a really good defence and Mourinho has a glittering career based on it.
If we can keep clean sheets early doors would be a really good sign but if we're leaky at the back I suspect we're in for a tough season.
Hoping that Mourinho can get us back to be bloody hard to score against. Our best years under Poch were based on a really good defence and Mourinho has a glittering career based on it.
If we can keep clean sheets early doors would be a really good sign but if we're leaky at the back I suspect we're in for a tough season.
