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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

THOWIG

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Feb 14, 2005
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Looking at the attitude of Ancelotti and the Everton players is a millions miles off from us. What’s happened to our club.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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pretty spot on from Jenas to be fair. huge summer ahead
Can't argue with it fair assessment he is kind of saying we are a mess but doing it tactfully.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Aug 22, 2017
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The football wasn’t great I agree but it has got undoubtedly worse and the results no better. Do you think we have a chance to get to a final this year for example ?
We got rid of Poch on the back of those performances on the promises of top 4 and trophies. Mourinho isn’t a long term build manager , he won’t be here for 3/4 seasons. He is one of the most expensive managers in the world and the narrative has changed from a few players here and there (loves to work with these players) to a whole rebuild job job and the football will get no better under him whatever happens.

Before Son got injured only Liverpool had a better points tally since Mourinho took over. Honestly how can you say that the results have got no better seriously man?
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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Before Son got injured only Liverpool had a better points tally since Mourinho took over. Honestly how can you say that the results have got no better seriously man?
Stats can be deceiving though since there was a number of games in which we rode our luck which skewed those stats, I think now we are seeing some of that luck even itself out with some of the results we are witnessing yesterday we didn't deserve the win which is exactly what we got.
 

John48

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Aug 31, 2015
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Before Son got injured only Liverpool had a better points tally since Mourinho took over. Honestly how can you say that the results have got no better seriously man?

Lost 3 in a row, first time in years, so they have got worse recently.

We were worried about scoring goals, we did score them, but we had no defenders & quite often it was 1 or 2 Wolves players up against 4 or 5 of ours & they stilled scored.
 

Robbiepope

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Aug 3, 2006
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Nope thats YOUR characterisation of it. I don't think you can assert that the the "vast majority" agree the football is worse with anything more meaningful that its just your opinion. As I said previously, the football since last January in the league was abject, with a particular nadir being Brighton away this season. It might FEEL that the football is getting worse, but that might be due to your own unconscious bias rather than anything else.

What can't be disputed is that results initially significantly improved but have recently tailed off again.

Are you honestly trying to tell me the general feeling of fans is that the football has improved? You allude to that I am defending Poch. Why can’t it be a good decision to sack Poch but a bad choice to replace with Mourinho?

I find the unconscious bias part of your comment particularly odd. I want Mourinho to win and for us to play decent attacking football. I don’t see that happening for the reasons I have explained.

You would also expect a new manager bounce, particularly after it ended with Poch after such a long time at the club. This wait to next season is dangerous - we are on a downwards negative spiral being accelerated by a style of play that will never be embraced by the club.

His not a long term ‘project’ manager and was never sold as one so why, considering where the squad is at , do we suddenly think his the long term answer. Otherwise we will be in a situation where we have a new manager in 18/24 months expecting more time to impose his style/system whichever that will be and building again.
 

sparx100

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Jan 8, 2007
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Because he wanted De Ligt Grealish Dybala
Yup and I want a Ferrari unfortunately it's out of my price range so I have to go for something more achievable. Surely he should have had a top 3 target in the positions he was looking to recruit in otherwise our scouting system is pointless.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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Yup and I want a Ferrari unfortunately it's out of my price range so I have to go for something more achievable. Surely he should have had a top 3 target in the positions he was looking to recruit in otherwise our scouting system is pointless.
Maybe the next tier down wasn't an improvement on the squad (at the time) .

The classic example was Robinson at Liverpool, at the time he went to pool Rose was on fire.
 
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rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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He can’t really, given the Everton squad has been invested in quite heavily
Exactly, most of those players have only been in the door in the last two years or so, so they have no 'end of cycle' excuses. Sure, it's not Ancelotti's squad yet but we have far deeper concerns than them.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Yup and I want a Ferrari unfortunately it's out of my price range so I have to go for something more achievable. Surely he should have had a top 3 target in the positions he was looking to recruit in otherwise our scouting system is pointless.
You have to compromise as a coach, you simply have to. Have faith in your coaching.

I always feel Poch paid too much attention to the unsuccessful buys (Njie, Janssen, Nkoudou) when he should have been thinking about the successful ones (Wanyama, Toby, Trippier, Sanchez, Son, Davies).

Every club gets bad transfers at some point. I think he wanted too much control sometimes.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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You have to compromise as a coach, you simply have to. Have faith in your coaching.

I always feel Poch paid too much attention to the unsuccessful buys (Njie, Janssen, Nkoudou) when he should have been thinking about the successful ones (Wanyama, Toby, Trippier, Sanchez, Son, Davies).

Every club gets bad transfers at some point. I think he wanted too much control sometimes.
No way was Nije Janssen Nkoudo even Moura and Aurier Pochittinho choices. He basically got fed up with second rate options.. and insisted on first choice.

People saying oh Pochittinho should be more flexible he was.. But there comes a time when you stand your ground a demand your first choice.... Just look at Liverpool
 

sparx100

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Jan 8, 2007
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Maybe the next tier down wasn't an improvement on the squad (at the time) .

The classic example was Robinson at Liverpool, at the time he went to pool Rose was on fire.
But if he wanted De-Ligt he must have thought there was a chance other clubs would come in and to have an alternative option?
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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No way was Nije Janssen Nkoudo even Moura and Aurier Pochittinho choices. He basically got fed up with second rate options.. and insisted on first choice.

People saying oh Pochittinho should be more flexible he was.. But there comes a time when you stand your ground a demand your first choice.... Just look at Liverpool
Unfortunately standing his ground didn't seem to work. Evidently however Liverpool do their business, it's not the way that we do our business. Perhaps it's the scouting that needs looking at?
 
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