Jose Mourinho

Coyboy · Feb 20, 2020

Spursh said:
This is a team that lost to Bayern 2-7 and Brighton 3-0 this season, and that was with attacking options.

I’d love for us to play with a high tempo and look like a cohesive attacking unit, but considering that we’ve had a change of manager, have a squad who have had to recover from the loss of a Champions League final, had players who wanted out as well as dealing with those in decline, and have lost key players to injuries at pivotal times (Lloris, Sissoko, Kane, Son), I think Mourinho has done pretty well to even have us back in contention for the top four.

Agree, it's not easy on the eye at the moment but I feel like each game under Mourinho, good or bad result, we were always 'in' it, in that we could or should have nicked a winner or in fact did (i.e. Villa, Soton in the cup and City). The exceptions to that may have been Chelsea, where we lost Son, and Southampton which I gather (I didn't see it) we were very poor in- though again it was only losing by the odd goal.

The games you highlighted were the two examples of games where we completely lost our way under Poch, in the second half with respect to Bayern.

If we lose heavily to Chelsea now, you can blame me!

Dillspur · Feb 20, 2020

Spursh said:
This is a team that lost to Bayern 2-7 and Brighton 3-0 this season, and that was with attacking options.

I’d love for us to play with a high tempo and look like a cohesive attacking unit, but considering that we’ve had a change of manager, have a squad who have had to recover from the loss of a Champions League final, had players who wanted out as well as dealing with those in decline, and have lost key players to injuries at pivotal times (Lloris, Sissoko, Kane, Son), I think Mourinho has done pretty well to even have us back in contention for the top four.

He has done well to get us back into contention, but the PL is junk this season. After 26 games last year we were 3rd with 60 points (that would enoughfor 2nd now!) , UTD 4th with 51 and then the gooners and chavs 5/6 with 50.

Shadydan · Feb 20, 2020

Dillspur said:
He has done well to get us back into contention, but the PL is junk this season. After 26 games last year we were 3rd with 60 points (that would enoughfor 2nd now!) , UTD 4th with 51 and then the gooners and chavs 5/6 with 50.

What's your point?

Dillspur · Feb 20, 2020

Shadydan said:
What's your point?

That the quality of the PL is rubbish and anyone getting on a decent run could be where we are, it wasn't long ago that Southampton were a few points off 5th

Shadydan · Feb 20, 2020

Dillspur said:
That the quality of the PL is rubbish and anyone getting on a decent run could be where we are, it wasn't long ago that Southampton were a few points off 5th

Or it could mean everyone is taking points off eachother and the quality has filtered down to the rest of the league as opposed to the top 6 and that massive gap between them and the rest, last time I checked there is 20 teams in the league, not 6.

Not sure how you measure 'quality' anyway in that regard especially when you're comparing points tallies across which has always been a nonsense argument.

If you're going to use the quality of the league argument against Jose then not one manager deserves credit this season, not even Klopp.

Led's Zeppelin · Feb 20, 2020

Dillspur said:
That the quality of the PL is rubbish and anyone getting on a decent run could be where we are, it wasn't long ago that Southampton were a few points off 5th

The PL Is not rubbish. It attracts many of the world’s best players and coaches, has the most money of any league in the world, and has more clubs capable of competing with anyone than any other league.

The traditionally weaker teams have got a lot stronger. That makes it much tougher for most of the top teams to string together long winning runs, or to smash teams by 4 or 5 goals on a regular basis, which might create the appearance of lower quality in the top half of the table, but I believe it’s an illusion.

Liverpool are an exception of course but even they have had a very hard time shaking off quite a few of the lower teams who just a few years ago would have been fodder for everyone in the top half of the table. Shit man, even West Ham have had one or two decent players In the last few years. (Well, one anyway.)

Take away the vast TV-rights money for a few years and you’d soon see a decline that would pit things in perspective.

Dillspur · Feb 20, 2020

Led's Zeppelin said:
The PL Is not rubbish. It attracts many of the world’s best players and coaches, has the most money of any league in the world, and has more clubs capable of competing with anyone than any other league.

The traditionally weaker teams have got a lot stronger. That makes it much tougher for most of the top teams to string together long winning runs, or to smash teams by 4 or 5 goals on a regular basis, which might create the appearance of lower quality in the top half of the table, but I believe it’s an illusion.

Liverpool are an exception of course but even they have had a very hard time shaking off quite a few of the lower teams who just a few years ago would have been fodder for everyone in the top half of the table. Shit man, even West Ham have had one or two decent players In the last few years. (Well, one anyway.)

Take away the vast TV-rights money for a few years and you’d soon see a decline that would pit things in perspective.

I disagree, the quality of the "weaker" teams is pretty much on par, wolves and watford were in 7/8 last year with 38/37 points, 7/8 this year is Sheffield and UTD with 38/36.

The PL this year has been poor in regards to quality.

slartibartfast · Feb 20, 2020

double0 said:
We gave them far to much respect time and space on the ball. We needed to be more bold.

The marking and closing down was non existent in the first half.
As JJ said we looked like we were waiting to lose.

Shadydan · Feb 20, 2020

Dillspur said:
I disagree, the quality of the "weaker" teams is pretty much on par, wolves and watford were in 7/8 last year with 38/37 points, 7/8 this year is Sheffield and UTD with 38/36.

The PL this year has been poor in regards to quality.

Literally replied to all of this in my earlier post mate.

How do you measure 'quality'?

panoma · Feb 20, 2020

PLTuck said:
Under Poch : All the nice footy in the world doesn't replace trophies. We need to win and don't care how.

Under Jose: We might be picking up results but this football is shocking. I want to see good progressive play. Just getting results isn't enough.

SC in a nutshell.

That make's it sound like we played some entertaining and attacking football under Poch.

That was maybe the case for 2 years, but for the better part of the last 2 seasons under Poch we played some of the most turgid and clueless football I've ever seen.

Frozen_Waffles · Feb 20, 2020

What's going on guys.....

Yes we got mauled a bit for the first 30, but let's face it we are a bit all over the place.

The midfield was winks, gedson and GLC. How many times have we started with that midfield before (twice?). How many games has gedson played or even lo celso?

Davies on his 2nd game back, Toby after just having a kid, no son, no Kane, even lloris, lamela and ndombele have been injured/unfit for most of the season.

Now all this Jose bashing, give they guy a fucking break, he is in a really difficult situation but for me I can see improvement and promise each game.

Spurs 1961 · Feb 20, 2020

The football is just as expected from JM. It's dire. What a waste of my time to be there yesterday. We didn't even try to play until 1-0 down. Clearly working to Jose plans to keep the lines of defence, park the bus and hope not to concede a goal. Fortuntely he now has Lloris sho is showing his class.

When we did attack late on we looked like a very good side and were unlucky not to get a goal back. We an play like that but JM is too scared. He knows he is on a winner

Spursh said:
This is a team that lost to Bayern 2-7 and Brighton 3-0 this season, and that was with attacking options.

I’d love for us to play with a high tempo and look like a cohesive attacking unit, but considering that we’ve had a change of manager, have a squad who have had to recover from the loss of a Champions League final, had players who wanted out as well as dealing with those in decline, and have lost key players to injuries at pivotal times (Lloris, Sissoko, Kane, Son), I think Mourinho has done pretty well to even have us back in contention for the top four.

I was there last night and against Bayern. That night we were far better than even towards the end last night when the Jose shackles came off and we looked like a decent side. Against Bayern we could have been three goals up at half-time but missed chance and Bayern in the second half scored with every shot

Finally we are only back in contention because Chelsea blew a big lead over us, but at least they have a real excuse with a bunch of kids and the loss of Hazard. Jose has clear tactics, evident from the live games I have seen, but one that for me is just not acceptable.

Anyway I will move on and let the Jose fanboys continue drooling

Shadydan · Feb 20, 2020

Spurs 1961 said:
The football is just as expected from JM. It's dire. What a waste of my time to be there yesterday. We didn't even try to play until 1-0 down. Clearly working to Jose plans to keep the lines of defence, park the bus and hope not to concede a goal. Fortuntely he now has Lloris sho is showing his class.

When we did attack late on we looked like a very good side and were unlucky not to get a goal back. We an play like that but JM is too scared. He knows he is on a winner

I was there last night and against Bayern. That night we were far better than even towards the end last night when the Jose shackles came off and we looked like a decent side. Against Bayern we could have been three goals up at half-time but missed chance and Bayern in the second half scored with every shot

Finally we are only back in contention because Chelsea blew a big lead over us, but at least they have a real excuse with a bunch of kids and the loss of Hazard. Jose has clear tactics, evident from the live games I have seen, but one that for me is just not acceptable.

Anyway I will move on and let the Jose fanboys continue drooling

Yep back in contention because of Chelsea, it had nothing to do with us whatsoever, Christ almighty.

Gb160 · Feb 20, 2020

Spurs 1961 said:
Anyway I will move on and let the Jose fanboys continue drooling

Grow up.

Danny1 · Feb 20, 2020

Shadydan said:
Yep back in contention because of Chelsea, it had nothing to do with us whatsoever, Christ almighty.

Haha! Agree with you here, it has nothing to do with the fact that we have amassed the joint second amount of points of anyone else in the league since Mourinho joined, its all on Chelsea!

Dillspur · Feb 20, 2020

Shadydan said:
Literally replied to all of this in my earlier post mate.

How do you measure 'quality'?

It's subjective, is it not? IMO the quality of the traditional top 6 is way down, the quality of everyone else is par.

shelfboy68 · Feb 20, 2020

Danny1 said:
Haha! Agree with you here, it has nothing to do with the fact that we have amassed the joint second amount of points of anyone else in the league since Mourinho joined, its all on Chelsea!

There is a bit of both involved here as Chelsea haven't been as good as they were previously because if so we wouldn't be in contention, but Jose has managed to grind out a few results especially in the last couple of games against city and villa when we could on another day here lost.

Shadydan · Feb 20, 2020

Dillspur said:
It's subjective, is it not? IMO the quality of the traditional top 6 is way down, the quality of everyone else is par.

Yeah so how do you measure quality? Playing style, mentality, player abilities etc...? You can't surely just put it down to points, that's just far too simplistic.

The quality of the traditional top 6 wasn't really much better last season, we managed to pick up 13 points in 4 months and still finished 4th for example, Chelsea, Utd or Arsenal weren't much better themselves.

I wouldn't say everyone else in on par either, the quality of the promoted teams this season is of a higher standard.

Shadydan · Feb 20, 2020

shelfboy68 said:
There is a bit of both involved here as Chelsea haven't been as good as they were previously because if so we wouldn't be in contention, but Jose has managed to grind out a few results especially in the last couple of games against city and villa when we could on another day here lost.

Well done m8, well observed - honestly don't know what we'd do if you weren't a member on here.

Ionman34 · Feb 20, 2020

Spurs 1961 said:
The football is just as expected from JM. It's dire. What a waste of my time to be there yesterday. We didn't even try to play until 1-0 down. Clearly working to Jose plans to keep the lines of defence, park the bus and hope not to concede a goal. Fortuntely he now has Lloris sho is showing his class.

When we did attack late on we looked like a very good side and were unlucky not to get a goal back. We an play like that but JM is too scared. He knows he is on a winner

I was there last night and against Bayern. That night we were far better than even towards the end last night when the Jose shackles came off and we looked like a decent side. Against Bayern we could have been three goals up at half-time but missed chance and Bayern in the second half scored with every shot

Finally we are only back in contention because Chelsea blew a big lead over us, but at least they have a real excuse with a bunch of kids and the loss of Hazard. Jose has clear tactics, evident from the live games I have seen, but one that for me is just not acceptable.

Anyway I will move on and let the Jose fanboys continue drooling

You excuse Chelsea because they lost Hazard, but slam Mourinho when he’s been without Kane, Ndombele, Sissoko, now Son, Davies, Lamela, Lloris and a host of others through his tenure, has 3 new players, one with his first start, and a squad that EVERYONE has acknowledged has been massively low on confidence for over a year?

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