spursfan77
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Not if skipp is going to start against Munich it’s not. He needed a run out before starting against the German champions.
Not if skipp is going to start against Munich it’s not. He needed a run out before starting against the German champions.
spursfan77
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Everyone keeps saying put him in, put him in, put him in.
But if you’ve been watching our games, our tactics and our style. Where does he play?
He doesn’t fit in any way shape or form into the characteristics of the players we’ve been playing so far.
The only way he gets in is when/if we change tactics. Until then, he ain’t getting a meaningful start/game I’m afraid.
But if you’ve been watching our games, our tactics and our style. Where does he play?
He doesn’t fit in any way shape or form into the characteristics of the players we’ve been playing so far.
The only way he gets in is when/if we change tactics. Until then, he ain’t getting a meaningful start/game I’m afraid.
Everlasting Seconds
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This ends one of three ways:
He never signs permanently
We change to 433 (least likely)
He develops into a natural leader and plays CM (will take very long time)
JayB
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I think he'd be a natural fit in the RAM position that Lucas has played. That player more often than not tucks inside because Aurier is providing the width on the right, so there'd be plenty of opportunity for him to move centrally and take up the positions he typically operates in.
I'm guessing he'd be fine in a CM2 as well, he played as a No. 6 for PSG and has that typical Argentinian tenacity, I don't see how he'd be any less of a contributor to the "defensive process" in that position than Ndombele given Ndombele's fitness struggles.
His problem is that he hasn't been integrated yet, not that there's no place for him. I suspect he'll get some opportunities, first against Bayern and then again during the festive period when we'll need to rotate. It will be up to him to take the opportunity and play well enough to demand more playing time.
Johnny J
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He could easily play next to Dier in CM.
I don’t think Jose would consistently play him there as he ain’t a typical Jose midfielder. Only way I can see him fitting into the side is on the right hand side front 3 but surely there are better options to buy for that position for the price we would have to pay for him.
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I was so excited to sign Lo Celso but after 5 years of possession football I thought the only possible way forward was to sign more players like Eriksen. The idea that we'd be winning games 5-0 without a single passing midfielder in the side was beyond comprehension, yet here we are.
Now that our style has flipped turned upside down, it's difficult to see how Lo Celso fits into the side. Jose clearly doesn't fancy him as a CM and he's not a natural wide player. Unless Dele gets injured or we switch to a 4-3-3 it's hard to see how he'll fit into the team.
The real question is do we cut our losses and let a potential world beater go at the end of the season to reinvest elsewhere, or do we play the long game, stump up the cash, and keep him around as a useful squad player/one for the future?
Now that our style has flipped turned upside down, it's difficult to see how Lo Celso fits into the side. Jose clearly doesn't fancy him as a CM and he's not a natural wide player. Unless Dele gets injured or we switch to a 4-3-3 it's hard to see how he'll fit into the team.
The real question is do we cut our losses and let a potential world beater go at the end of the season to reinvest elsewhere, or do we play the long game, stump up the cash, and keep him around as a useful squad player/one for the future?
TheVoiceofReason
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Interesting/depressing that Jose didnt mention him as one of the 'midfielders' in his post-match press conference.
He's a CM right? I'm a bit confused.
He's a CM right? I'm a bit confused.
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Yet tried the same against United and it didn't work at all. There's a balance, but I'll always lean towards better passing.
Timberwolf
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I think the failure of the Utd game was a culmination of things: overconfidence, lack of positional discipline in midfield, a very pumped up Utd team and us still trying to adapt to the methods of a new manager. I don't think it was so much a failure of philosophy but rather a complete failure to implement it correctly. Sure, we all like pretty passing but we're currently trying to find the right balance between Poch's possesion and Jose's directness and there will inevitably be casualties - if a player doesn't fit the system, they don't fit the system.
That said, we can't play the same way against every team and, especially with Eriksen 100% leaving, I think we'd massively regret losing one of our few other passing, goalscoring midfielders in Lo Celso. If we seriously want to compete we'll need options off the bench and different types of players, particularly ones with his talent.
Timberwolf
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He has played as a CM before: as part of a CM 2 for PSG and on the left (and right...I think?) of a CM3 for Argentina. However, his best season was playing in a more advanced role for Betis and that's where I imagine Jose sees him.
With Dele in great form, Son undroppable and Lucas/Sissoko combining some combination of strength, pace and defensive discipline on the right, it's hard to see how Lo Celso fits in.
Where Jose plays him against Bayern will be a massive clue as to where he sees him playing for us going forward.
Johnny J
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We had basically the same set up against United and we're diabolical. We aren't as bad as that game suggests, or as good as today suggests.
Burnley were fucking atrocious today. There's a reason basically every team has a passing midfielder.
King of Otters
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I’d like to see that, but I can’t see José going for it. His best chance is to step up if Dele is out of the team. We will need more than one player capable of playing the No.10 role.
Johnny J
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I agree. All good teams have options.
Timberwolf
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City play with about 8 technical 'passing midfielders' whereas none of Liverpool's attackers or midfielders are of the Eriksen/Lo Celso variety.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Again, the key thing to remember about the Lo Celso deal is that Spurs have purportedly already paid a massive loan fee of 13+ million and can complete the deal for a further 27 million pounds this winter. Why wouldn't Levy just trigger the purchase clause and flip him next summer, even if he wasn't wanted by Mourinho? This is player with a continental reputation. I'm pretty certain Simeone would take him at Atletico, and we'd probably make a profit on the deal. They were interested in him in the summer and are having a lot of trouble creating chances without a clear playmaker.
I'd just be stunned if Levy just opted to decline the purchase price, and the club absorbed a 13 million pound loss on a loan fee.
I'd just be stunned if Levy just opted to decline the purchase price, and the club absorbed a 13 million pound loss on a loan fee.
spursfan77
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But he's not going to get in at the moment while we are winning games and Mourinho is playing players he already trusts there. I like it that Mourinho keeps a winning team by and large as it builds trust in the players and that’s part of what I think he’s trying to do.
Our tactics may change going forward because of injury (Aurier went off injured yesterday) or suspension and that’s when players like him will have to be 100% ready to step up.
I don’t think he would be first in line for who Mourinho would look at to come in for Lucas either. He wants someone with pace to carry the ball forward from there. If lo celso can do that with pace and also track back strongly defensively like Lucas does then he will have a chance.
Hopefully he gets a go but if he does it will be because of necessity first I think and even then whether he gets in ahead of Eriksen or Winks in one of the two positions, I’m not so sure.
Ghost Hardware
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Exactly, it's all well and good playing long ball/counter football against weaker, disorganized teams. It worked excellently yesterday. But teams better drilled with better players won't be so open and we will need to break down teams slowly with clever passing. So far I haven't seen us do that under Jose. Not saying we won't, but for that we need players like Celso.
nailsy
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His situation is quite similar to Tierney at Arsenal. Both new signings that missed preseason and have had injuries and are struggling to get in the team now.
We've got another five games before the end of the month so there's plenty of time. The game yesterday was a great opportunity to play a few youngsters who wouldn't usually get on the pitch. We've got a dead rubber match in a few days so let's see if he plays in that match before getting too worried.
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By the sounds of it, there hasn't been much time for proper training yet, with three weeks straight with midweek games, he won't have had tonnes of time to get much of a look at players. And in order to get results quickly, he's played players who are familiar with each other. Bedding Lo Celso in at the same time would be hard work, he's been an unfortunate casualty in that respect. We know the class he has, and can show, so I'm sure as and when things settle down he'll find his position and get chances.
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