I get disagreed or "wtf" on every post I've made that Son clearly started/caused that to happen.I don't think anyone's arguing that the tackle led to the injury (obviously did) or by arguing the card, lessening any sympathy to Gomes.
Regardless of how it technically happened, it no doubt started off due to a reckless challenge from Son.
Wasn't aware. I thought it was plainly obvious he caused the scenario that unfolded. Ultimately, no tackle, no injury.I get disagreed or "wtf" on every post I've made that Son clearly started/caused that to happen.
Twats gon' be twats...Mark Clattenburg saying Aurier should also have been sent off
What a grade A twat
This post has earnt what I think might be, my first ever use of a wtf rating.Cost us the game tonight because he so desperately needed to get revenge for getting hit in the face a few seconds earlier. Now he has to live with the fact that he ended another player's career.
Watching the incident again, unfortunately no.Based on this do you think there’s any chance it will be overturned?
Thought of being without him for three games is a worry.Watching the incident again, unfortunately no.
I hope Gomes makes a quick recovery and Son will need help and support to get over the incident.
He was our player of the season last year, for many reasons so both players will recover.
I bet Son goes back to Liverpool to see Gomes in the near future.
thanks for sharing
Just watched the vid in slow mo - at 0.25x usual speed - i think Sonny's initial contact causes the break, and then the force of the impact causes the full break/dislocation
much as i hate to say it, and having re-watched it multiple times at this speed - Sonny's tackle was reckless, and warranted the red...he went off his feet, played the man and not the ball
That's not to say it he meant to break Gomes's ankle, but i reckon it was already broken before he hit the turf - Gomes didn't hit the turf with that much force, or at that bad an angle to lead to that kind of break
Appreciate it's just my opinion, but seeing it in slow-mo, i just don't see the impact causing that big a break unless it had already been broken...
I'd say with the haste with which the Premier League put that "endangering the safety of an opponent" statement out, they will be fully behind Atkinson if we appeal. It's frightening, how little scrutiny there is of referees who make genuine mistakes but don't have to have any accountability after the fact. All they do is scuttle off out of the stadium after the match and that's the last we see of them until the next match. Maybe they should have to do press conferences themselves after each match to explain their decisions.
What we know is that Atkinson deemed it to be a challenge worthy of a yellow and then changed his mind, simply because Gomes had sustained the injury. He made the assumption that Son had caused the injury during the tackle and didn't go to VAR to check it (which, as I understand it, is what should happen with all red card decisions). If they'd gone to VAR, they'd have seen that Sonny didn't break the guy's leg but now they've painted themselves into a corner and they won't come out and say the ref got it wrong, even though he demonstrably did.
Technically I can’t see how the card can’t be rescinded, though I doubt it will be. It was all set to be a yellow, meaning the ref judged the tackle as a yellow card offence. He changed it when he saw the injury but actually if it’s proven that it was the aftermath with Aurier that caused the injury, Son’s tackle should’ve remained a yellow.
I haven’t seen the full replay yet but I’ve seen the pictures, it looks bad from Aurier but a pic can make things look much worse than it is, so hopefully Aurier’s tackle was accidental because of the way Gomez landed after Son’s tackle. It sounded like the Everton fans booed the ref for sending off Son instead of Aurier but again that’s just guesswork.
Losing Son for 3 games for that is a bit of a shambles even though I understand why the ref has done it. He shouldn’t have though. Nicest guy in football has 2 undeserved (IMO) red cards in a few months! Bottom line in this instance is that if Aurier wasn’t there, Gomez wouldn’t have broken his foot.
I don't think VAR would've overruled it. The ref saw the incident and he's seen the state of the player. There's no way that the VAR overrules the on-field ref in those circumstances. I'm not saying the red card was right, just that VAR wouldn't overrule the ref. There's no way that VAR didn't look at the sending off.
The fans weren't booing the ref for sending off Son. They didn't get to see the replay so they probably assumed it was him or Aurier that caused the damage.
Of course it did, but the severity of injury should not be the barometer of the punishment.
It should be overturned really, bit unfair on Son and it was a booking at most, even a couple of the Everton players were surprised.
Hopefully common sense will prevail.
The rescinding of the red card may go some way to easing Son's mind about being responsible too.?
That's why i said "hopefully"Ahh, we now have a problem!
It should be overturned but I’m not convinced it will be.