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dtxspurs

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I don't think anyone's arguing that the tackle led to the injury (obviously did) or by arguing the card, lessening any sympathy to Gomes.
I get disagreed or "wtf" on every post I've made that Son clearly started/caused that to happen.
 

IamSpurtacus

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Regardless of how it technically happened, it no doubt started off due to a reckless challenge from Son.

I actually think the damage was done before Gomes hit the deck - the severity of the break was exacerbated by the impact, but if you look at the replay of Sonny's tackle in slow mo (to get a good sense of contact made), i'm afraid it looks bad enough that the leg / ankle was broken before Gomes went down

The impact just made things that much worse, but i can't imagine the way Gomes fell would be enough to do that kind of damage. It was nothing like the Cisse break where he put all his weight through his leg after getting studs caught
 

theShiznit

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Mark Clattenburg saying Aurier should also have been sent off

What a grade A twat
Twats gon' be twats...

Ol Mark "Oprah" Clattenburg...
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McFlash

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Cost us the game tonight because he so desperately needed to get revenge for getting hit in the face a few seconds earlier. Now he has to live with the fact that he ended another player's career.
This post has earnt what I think might be, my first ever use of a wtf rating.
I usually try to avoid neg repping, preferring to be positive in my ratings but this was just unavoidable.
What the actual fuck did you see, that nobody else did?!
 

DCSPUR64

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Based on this do you think there’s any chance it will be overturned?
Watching the incident again, unfortunately no.
I hope Gomes makes a quick recovery and Son will need help and support to get over the incident.
He was our player of the season last year, for many reasons so both players will recover.
I bet Son goes back to Liverpool to see Gomes in the near future.
 
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The state of some of our 'fans' on here.

Yet another case of a referee being utterly useless at his job and in the process of being utterly useless, costing others by his decisions and in turn not having to answer for his actions.

Corrupt.
 

Nicki78

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Watching the incident again, unfortunately no.
I hope Gomes makes a quick recovery and Son will need help and support to get over the incident.
He was our player of the season last year, for many reasons so both players will recover.
I bet Son goes back to Liverpool to see Gomes in the near future.
Thought of being without him for three games is a worry.
 

'O Zio

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thanks for sharing

Just watched the vid in slow mo - at 0.25x usual speed - i think Sonny's initial contact causes the break, and then the force of the impact causes the full break/dislocation

much as i hate to say it, and having re-watched it multiple times at this speed - Sonny's tackle was reckless, and warranted the red...he went off his feet, played the man and not the ball

That's not to say it he meant to break Gomes's ankle, but i reckon it was already broken before he hit the turf - Gomes didn't hit the turf with that much force, or at that bad an angle to lead to that kind of break

Appreciate it's just my opinion, but seeing it in slow-mo, i just don't see the impact causing that big a break unless it had already been broken...



It was a silly tackle and arguably a bit reckless but it was not the impact of the tackle that did the damage. It's clearly just an unfortunate landing that broke his ankle. I'm not saying Son is blameless here but the way you're talking about the "force" of the tackle makes it sound like it was a Roy Keane style thing but it wasn't like that at all. It was more of a trip if anything.
 

nailsy

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I'd say with the haste with which the Premier League put that "endangering the safety of an opponent" statement out, they will be fully behind Atkinson if we appeal. It's frightening, how little scrutiny there is of referees who make genuine mistakes but don't have to have any accountability after the fact. All they do is scuttle off out of the stadium after the match and that's the last we see of them until the next match. Maybe they should have to do press conferences themselves after each match to explain their decisions.

What we know is that Atkinson deemed it to be a challenge worthy of a yellow and then changed his mind, simply because Gomes had sustained the injury. He made the assumption that Son had caused the injury during the tackle and didn't go to VAR to check it (which, as I understand it, is what should happen with all red card decisions). If they'd gone to VAR, they'd have seen that Sonny didn't break the guy's leg but now they've painted themselves into a corner and they won't come out and say the ref got it wrong, even though he demonstrably did.

I don't think VAR would've overruled it. The ref saw the incident and he's seen the state of the player. There's no way that the VAR overrules the on-field ref in those circumstances. I'm not saying the red card was right, just that VAR wouldn't overrule the ref. There's no way that VAR didn't look at the sending off.

Technically I can’t see how the card can’t be rescinded, though I doubt it will be. It was all set to be a yellow, meaning the ref judged the tackle as a yellow card offence. He changed it when he saw the injury but actually if it’s proven that it was the aftermath with Aurier that caused the injury, Son’s tackle should’ve remained a yellow.

I haven’t seen the full replay yet but I’ve seen the pictures, it looks bad from Aurier but a pic can make things look much worse than it is, so hopefully Aurier’s tackle was accidental because of the way Gomez landed after Son’s tackle. It sounded like the Everton fans booed the ref for sending off Son instead of Aurier but again that’s just guesswork.

Losing Son for 3 games for that is a bit of a shambles even though I understand why the ref has done it. He shouldn’t have though. Nicest guy in football has 2 undeserved (IMO) red cards in a few months! Bottom line in this instance is that if Aurier wasn’t there, Gomez wouldn’t have broken his foot.

The fans weren't booing the ref for sending off Son. They didn't get to see the replay so they probably assumed it was him or Aurier that caused the damage.
 

Shadydan

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It should be overturned really, bit unfair on Son and it was a booking at most, even a couple of the Everton players were surprised.

I do actually understand why Atkinson sent him off, seen it before when players have serious injuries like that whether it's intentional or not refs normally send them off to protect them from retribution from the other team and Son clearly was in no fit state to carry on, what should happen in those circumstances is the ref should tell the manager to sub him off.
 

WalkerboyUK

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I don't think VAR would've overruled it. The ref saw the incident and he's seen the state of the player. There's no way that the VAR overrules the on-field ref in those circumstances. I'm not saying the red card was right, just that VAR wouldn't overrule the ref. There's no way that VAR didn't look at the sending off.



The fans weren't booing the ref for sending off Son. They didn't get to see the replay so they probably assumed it was him or Aurier that caused the damage.

It's Martin Atkinson - never over-ruled, following an outburst about when a red card he awarded last season was rescinded.
It's the same reason the foul on Son wasn't also given by VAR.
 

'O Zio

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Of course it did, but the severity of injury should not be the barometer of the punishment.

Absolutely this. The tackle should be judged on its own merit, what happens afterwards is irrelevant IMO. Sometimes players get booted up in the air and don't get so muhc as a scratch, and conversely players sometimes suffer career-ending injuries from perfectly legal tackles. The severity of the injury should have no bearing on the punishment when so much of that is just pure coincidence and bad luck.
 

wrd

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It should be overturned really, bit unfair on Son and it was a booking at most, even a couple of the Everton players were surprised.

It's an interesting moment because the vast vast majority of pundits, media, everton fans, general football fans agree it wasn't a Red. So for the PL to stick by their referee will be another instance of the refs decisions feeling untouchable and call their integrity into disrepute imo.

Have to say it's frustrating for another decision like this to seemingly cost us points along with the Leicester game. Was a poor performance but the red has cost us.
 

theShiznit

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Ahh, we now have a problem!

It should be overturned but I’m not convinced it will be.
That's why i said "hopefully"

They should see that a human beings mental health could be affected here and look at the bigger picture (and no i am not talking about Atkinson's fragile ego)

Irrespective of whether they want to show compassion to Son ( a player that always plays in the right spirit and with a smile) they just need to give the correct decision as seen by all but a few (no doubt with an anti-Spurs bias)
 
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