The Mauricio Pochettino thread

dtxspurs · Oct 5, 2019

Sandros Shiny Head said:
You’re the one complaining about signing nobody at all

So because I expect the club to buy good players rather than bad players, I’m in the wrong?

Pellshek · Oct 5, 2019

Checking sports news every now and then, kinda dreading what I'll see there each time I click.

DCSPUR · Oct 5, 2019

sausage said:
Ruben Loftus Cheek has been at Chelsea since he was 8.
Tammy Abraham has been at Chelsea since he was 7.
Mason Mount since he was 6.
Same with Fikayo Tomori.
Same with Hudson-Odoi.

It isn't money

the Russian literally paid Fun time frank millions to leave us to kick off the academy effort and more
ah forget it

soup · Oct 5, 2019

fortworthspur said:
you really believe Poch decided he didnt need any new players those two windows? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle - he wanted a cadillac but Levy would only pony up the dough for a used Ford.

Well, no, I'm saying Hoddle said 'for a fact', that is exactly what Poch thought. Not me. Glenn Hoddle regarding Mauricio Pochetinno. Glenn Hoddle did, as a fact, say that, Poch didn't want to spend, 'for a fact'.

I included the quote. I'm not trying to be dogmatic.

Sandros Shiny Head · Oct 5, 2019

dtxspurs said:
So because I expect the club to buy good players rather than bad players, I’m in the wrong?

You’re blaming everything on us signing nobody but can’t grasp that not getting unobtainable targets means getting lesser quality players or nothing at all. Can’t have it both ways

fortworthspur · Oct 5, 2019

Pellshek said:
Checking sports news every now and then, kinda dreading what I'll see there each time I click.

move to the States - its ever on the major outlets

dtxspurs · Oct 5, 2019

Sandros Shiny Head said:
You’re blaming everything on us signing nobody but can’t grasp that not getting unobtainable targets means getting lesser quality players or nothing at all. Can’t have it both ways

We were some stupid third party image few away from buying Paolo fucking Dybala this summer and you mean to tell me that Poch had unattainable targets last summer?

gorgeous george · Oct 5, 2019

NickHSpurs said:
Today was the day to do that no? We lost 7-2 and off the back of that he still decided to pick Eriksen, Toby & Jan!

The problem is the alternatives. Sanchez is no use. And GLC is injured

Mr Pink · Oct 5, 2019

Does anyone seriously enjoy watching us play anymore? We're just devoid of a proper tempo, criminally lacking in movement as well.

Why the hell are we not seeing any improvement?

It just feels like rinse and repeat every week and the longer it goes on the more it's being exposed through our results.

We're going to be in the bottom half of the table this season if this contiues.

JayB · Oct 5, 2019

I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle when it comes to the summer of '18. I don't blame Poch for being fed up with the constant influx of Njie, Nkoudou, Janssen, Aurier, Sissoko level players but I also don't doubt that he was stubborn to a fault. Levy shoulders the lion's share of the blame for years and years of shit recruitment building up to that point, but there were surely CMs on the market other than De Jong who would have made a massive difference over the past 18 months. For me it's a case of contributory negligence where they're both at fault.

Regardless of who you blame, it's led to a full-blown crisis. We need drastic change whether it's by sacking Poch or by having another Ade/Kaboul/Lennon moment. I've not got a great deal of faith that we'll see it happen.

WiganSpur · Oct 5, 2019

JayB said:
Shocking to suggest that Poch “isn’t a manager.” You mean to say that the bloke who’s taken us four consecutive top four finishes, not to mention a CL final, with a fraction of the investment of the other clubs vying for those places isn’t even a manager at all? Come off it.

We saw some signs that Poch was willing to change things today. The reversion to a 4-2-3-1 and the restoration of a DM to the side suggest that he’s seen that the diamond needed to be binned. Problem was that the only DM he had to choose from has barely played in a year and was miles off the pace, and the team witnessed its captain suffer a horrifically gruesome injury/gift the other team the lead in the first three minutes, which seemed to just compound the feelings left over from Bayern.

I wouldn’t be shocked or even disappointed if he were sacked now, but if he does stay I think there are some signs he’s going to change things tactically from here on. The question is whether he can find players to implement the tactics who will actually play for him.

It's a good start, but I think the tactics are only half of it. He has to completely bin the players who don't want to be here and play some youngsters if needs be.

Shadydan · Oct 5, 2019

Mr Pink said:
Does anyone seriously enjoy watching us play anymore? We're just devoid of a proper tempo, criminally lacking in movement as well.

Why the hell are we not seeing any improvement?

It just feels like rinse and repeat every week and the longer it goes on the more it's being exposed through our results.

We're going to be in the bottom half of the table this season if this contiues.

Players aren't playing for him mate, they're tired of his voice and his methods - you can see it.

Sandros Shiny Head · Oct 5, 2019

dtxspurs said:
We were some stupid third party image few away from buying Paolo fucking Dybala this summer and you mean to tell me that Poch had unattainable targets last summer?

Why would nearly signing Dybala this year make every player in the world available to us the year previous?

ComfortablyNumb · Oct 5, 2019

JayB said:
Do you honestly think we've been less than the sum of our parts for the past six years? Obviously we're in a crisis now, and I don't know if Poch will be able to get the players playing for him again, but given the investment (or lack thereof) in the squad I don't see how you could say anything other than that Poch has had us punching above our weight, i.e. the exact opposite of less than the sum of our parts.

At the start of every new season under Poch I’ve said exactly the same thing on here - that what I really want to see is some evidence that Poch has any capability to make a team out of eleven players.

We have punched above our weight, but that’s because our Chairman has been able to work wonders with a fraction of the revenue available to others.

None of that makes any difference if our coach isn’t capable of getting the best out of our players.

NickHSpurs · Oct 5, 2019

gorgeous george said:
The problem is the alternatives. Sanchez is no use. And GLC is injured

You’re telling me Foyth or Sanchez wouldn’t have done better than Jan or Toby today? Or Dele or Lucas wouldn’t have done better than Eriksen?

mattyspurs · Oct 5, 2019

dtxspurs said:
Truly can’t believe there are people that think that was Pochettino fault.

It was neither of their faults. Poch wanted De Jong, by all accounts Levy did ‘pony’ up the money, as De Jong himself said he had s good offer from us but felt he owed Ajax a bit more time.

Then Barca came in later on

dtxspurs · Oct 5, 2019

Sandros Shiny Head said:
Why would nearly signing Dybala this year make every player in the world available to us the year previous?

Didn’t Levy offer 8mil for Grealish? He was a joke that entire summer. You think it was Pochettino fault we didn’t sell anyone too?

sausage · Oct 5, 2019

DCSPUR said:
the Russian literally paid Fun time frank millions to leave us to kick off the academy effort and more
ah forget it

That's a pretty tenuous rebuttal of the point being made. We have just as much talent in our academy that we aren't using in the first team.

JayB · Oct 5, 2019

ComfortablyNumb said:
At the start of every new season under Poch I’ve said exactly the same thing on here - that what I really want to see is some evidence that Poch has any capability to make a team out of eleven players.

We have punched above our weight, but that’s because our Chairman has been able to work wonders with a fraction of the revenue available to others.

None of that makes any difference if our coach isn’t capable of getting the best out of our players.

So you don't think he's gotten the best out of our players over the years? Think of how much the likes of Walker, Rose, Dier, Kane, Dele, Son, Dembele etc. grew under his tutelage. Not to mention all the players who blossomed under him at Southampton. We were a cohesive, well-oiled machine in the years we pushed Leicester and Chelsea for the title. I don't think it's really within the realm of reason to suggest that Poch can't get the most out of players or that he's incapable of getting a team to play together.

All that being said it may very well be the case that things have simply gone too stale for him at Spurs and are beyond salvaging, but I think it's a bit ridiculous to be suggesting that Poch is woefully inadequate at the fundamental aspects of managing a football club.

Mr Pink · Oct 5, 2019

Shadydan said:
Players aren't playing for him mate, they're tired of his voice and his methods - you can see it.

I totally agree mate, and I wanted him to stay after the Bayern game but today I've changed my mind.

I just don't understand why some think it's going to change.

That shocked me today, I really thought we'd see a big reaction if Poch had any influence left in the tank - we'd of seen a proper reaction.

It was pathetic and embarrassing. Too many not prepared to win their battles on the pitch and show for the ball.

I really think Poch has acted in such a bizzare manner - and that's alienated the players.

There's probably blame in all areas, but when you're seeing that abysmal level of effort collectively it has to stop with the manager.

The football is really bad to watch now as well, it's so slow and predictable.

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