Poch looks like a man who needs a significant break from football.
I'd love to know from the in brigade what they have seen in the last 12 months that makes them believe he'll turn this form around?
What is the point of this thread. Something is wrong. It is the fact we have not invested in new full backs. Poch's diamond only work when you have capable full backs. Aurier is not that. Rose is getting old and never was a great crosser of the ball.
There are 2 out of work managers straight away that have actually won things at multiple clubs in Allegri and Mourinho. Do you really think that if Poch went we'd be up shit creek unable to attract a manager? Par for this squad should be third place, any competent manager would get CL pretty easily with these players IMO.
We've over achieved in terms of spend vs on pitch performance, that's a credit to Levy not Poch, unless you look at our squad and think it's full of third rate players being made to look good by Poch?The sheer fact that we have completely over achieved in the last 5 years.
The sheer fact that we have completely over achieved in the last 5 years.
The thing is the team is stale, we all knew it and we all know it to be true this season too. Should the players be doing better? damn straight and Poch is partly to blame but he deserves a chance to turn it around because we know what he is capable of. Levy is also to blame and as much as he had his hands full with the stadium i think he took his eye off the ball on the pitch.
For what its worth, I have a feeling this will only end one way and thats him leaving taking some time out and potentially revising his approach and methods, a bit like what Brendan Rodgers has done previously. We should have been progressing as much as Liverpool have - we started ahead of them. They are the benchmark for us when only a couple of years back we were the benchmark for them - how times have changed.
I think "just getting someone else in" runs the risk of losing the stability that we have enjoyed with Poch at the helm for 5-6 years. Do we really want to become Chelsea - changing the manager every year until you run out of 'Ancelottis' and end up employing Frank Lampard?
Poch is Spurs.
As we've seen last year - it's not about how many matches you lose - it's about how many you win to finish in the top 4. There's still plenty of time this season to turn it around.
Hell, he's barely had a crack at using his summer transfer players.
I agree the diamond isn't working, but I'm not ready to throw him out with the bathwater.
#PochIN
a couple of quick points:Tranmere don't play against Bayern Munich.
It was a freak game where everything Bayern did came off perfectly. We dominated for the first half an hour, then the frailties in the squad started to show. Combine that with Bayern's performance of a decade, and you can get a crazy result.
If we'd drawn the game last night, would there be a poll about 'Poch Out?' Would as many people have voted 'yes'?
Whenever sentiment can change from one extreme to the other on one single result, it's probably not a well thought through reaction.
The players are lacking confidence, there's uncertainty over the futures of a few starters, we didn't invest enough, and we need to try and rectify the squad problems in the next window. Until then, assuming we don't ship 4+ goals regularly, getting rid of Poch isn't going to help the club. Patience, and showing some loyalty is probably the best scenario right now.
The sheer fact that we have completely over achieved in the last 5 years.
Granted and I take your points on board - however, my post was more directed at the fact you can't compare Fergie to Poch regardless of the era.
regarding competing with the clubs mentioned above I have always thought that we as a club were/are building a future of self-sustainability. I fully understand we are not in the same financial position as those clubs, but with the right men at the club, we can have something to build to. My opinion is that those men are not Poch and his backroom staff. In all honesty, I have been one of his biggest critics, but willing to let my own beliefs take a back seat when we were performing well, however, I have never been under the illusion that Poch was going to be a long term success. When a manager relies entirely on a system that demands absolute commitment and peak fitness to last 90 mins in a high-intensity press, then something invariably breaks. It wasn't that long ago that you could see the wheels starting to fall off.
There was a time when we were beating teams physically and mentally in the last moments of games. Physically we could compete with all of them and we were like a pack of lions pressing every ball and in turn, forcing the opposition to turn over possession at will. Even Eriksen back then was at it. In essence, we were winning games with a defensive solidity that we have not seen before combined with a terrifying accuracy in front of goal, WHL was a fortress and no more 3pt lane. The team seemingly had everything and it was due to the high-intensity press.
Fast forward to the current day and you can see why Poch was never a long term solution. He has never found an answer to replace the high press. The problem with the Poch system is that unless you have young, physically and mentally strong players who are totally committed to your system, then the flaws of the Poch press are terribly exposed. If you want evidence of the system when it breaks you need to look no further than last night. After a pulsating 30 mins where we played with real intensity and looked like scoring more, it suddenly started to look very troubling. Players were exhausted and you can point at Saturday's game for some of the answers for sure, but the bottom line is that now we don't have the players that were once touted as winning something for sure. The answer on paper is simple, get rid of the players that can't hack it anymore and bring in young blood which can, but in reality, it becomes an exercise in recycling and a costly one too, therefore the real answer is to get someone in who can maintain players, is tactically astute and can keep a squad together without breaking them.
Apologies for going off on a tandem with my reply, but I think most of us can see that we are at the end of an era now under Poch and only time stands in the way of the next project under someone else.
I think "just getting someone else in" runs the risk of losing the stability that we have enjoyed with Poch at the helm for 5-6 years. Do we really want to become Chelsea - changing the manager every year until you run out of 'Ancelottis' and end up employing Frank Lampard?
Poch is Spurs.
As we've seen last year - it's not about how many matches you lose - it's about how many you win to finish in the top 4. There's still plenty of time this season to turn it around.
Hell, he's barely had a crack at using his summer transfer players.
I agree the diamond isn't working, but I'm not ready to throw him out with the bathwater.
#PochIN
There’s a proven winner whoring himself and his knowledge out on Sky Sports who’d probably jump at seeing Levy ringing his phone. If I’m entitled for thinking we shouldn’t lose to Colchester or entitled for thinking that we shouldn’t ship 7 at home no matter what then I’m the most entitled fucker there is. Have you watched 2019? We’ve been awful for a while, the CL run was an absolute fluke it’s shameless that you’d even bring it up tbh. Poch was great and probably still could be. Just not here anymore. Remember, this is Tottenham Hotspur not Tottenham Pochspur
We all get that. Nobody is disputing it. I don’t think anyone is saying things will automatically improve getting somebody new in but it’s not getting better with Poch at the moment. Those who can see it getting worse can see the signs. Wait till we are smashed by Liverpool. Then will be when he’s let go.