What do we do now?

EastLondonYid · Jun 2, 2019

Getting to a CL final must surely change our mentality.

We know we can get to the top table, we have set the bar high now, i can see us being really strong and confident in next seasons CL group stages and it wouldn't surprise me if we have another great run again .

Gb160 · Jun 2, 2019

riggi said:
He just wouldn’t wake up. Never seen anything like it.

Are you still there?

riggi · Jun 2, 2019

Gb160 said:
Are you still there?

Nah driving now. Staying in Poitier tonight then onto Calais.

yido4life · Jun 2, 2019

shelfmonkey said:
We had EVERY right to be in that final! We beat City at home, then went on to score 3 at the Etihad, we then beat Ajax in their own yard! Sounds like deserving finalists to me! You're just repeating the media/pundit/scouser bollocks!!! It's time we demanded more from our players, it's time we demanded succes when the opportunity arises!!

This is so spot on. I grew up in the 80s when we were considered a big club, when winning the FA cup came a close second to the league. When spurs were always involved in games cup finals or UEFA cup finals. Now all I ever here is about how lucky we are to be where we are.

I agree with Poch we need to start acting like a bigger club. Players like Eriksen need to stop coming out and saying we are not associated with winning trophies. We were up until 20 years ago when something changed.

As with all of you the club runs deep in me. My grandparents and parents are from Tottenham and I remember the Tottenham that my family refers to the Tottenham that won. We should be able to remember this and not be fooled by the media love in of financially doped football clubs.

Perhaps I’m just getting old and remember more than some of the younger members but I do remember that Tottenham

Gb160 · Jun 2, 2019

riggi said:
Nah driving now. Staying in Poitier tonight then onto Calais.

Go straight to Portugal, UEFA league of super champion nations on Thursday...its the one we've all been waiting for, now this CL rubbish is out of the way.

riggi · Jun 2, 2019

Gb160 said:
Go straight to Portugal, UEFA league of super champion nations on Thursday...its the one we've all been waiting for, now this CL rubbish is out of the way.

I wouldn’t mind some more sun to be honest.

SteveH · Jun 2, 2019

hellava_tough said:
I had assumed (perhaps wrongly) that Gazza would be developed into Lloris' replacement.

Looking at Liverpool last night I didn't feel we were not to far away from them if any.
Both teams were not great but Liverpool were particularly poor and I feel would have lost if not for the leg-up with penalty.
No one let themselves down imo. The standout difference in the teams was the goalkeepers. I think Hugo is a very descent goalkeeper but not sure if he's ’good enough’?

Gb160 · Jun 2, 2019

riggi said:
I wouldn’t mind some more sun to be honest.

Do it...You'll get used to grandads snoring after a while.

riggi · Jun 2, 2019

Gb160 said:
Do it...You'll get used to grandads snoring after a while.

One of the highlights was him calling out a spurs fan who was chucking beer about. That’s a new craze that needs to stop.

Phil-spur99 · Jun 2, 2019

I think this season has shown us there is a line between having a settled and a stake squad.

It was a fantastic achievement just to reach the CL final but that has papered over the cracks of a season where we have gone backwards and the stats show that.

FibreOpticJesus · Jun 2, 2019

Trix said:
We do need at least 4 first teamers of quality in this window. If that equates to a big net spend then so be it, but imo it doesn't matter if we recover some or even most of that through sales. Getting them in is all that matters and al II really care about tbh.

"Net spend" is just a tool the media use to create stories that aren't really there.

Agree with all above. But the big problem is getting the current surplus players out. Either we are looking for too much money or they do not want to go.

hellava_tough · Jun 2, 2019

mpickard2087 said:
People will and have just say need more players, but the reality is this isn't a team that has learned it's lessons and doesn't focus on some of the finer details and still has a way to go to set truly winning standards.

These are professional footballers, how many times in life, including in the run up to this game, will they have had the talk about being switched on from the first minute. The importance of winning your battle, laying an early marker, coming out from the off and being ready to go at the right intensity.

What we saw in the first thirty seconds was five or six consecutive actions where we didn't start well. Mainly players losing out in their individual duals, but we also had two players get in each others way, and one player having already switched off(!) and a bit out of position, before the daft penalty. Football is a game of fine margins, but have half a dozen consecutive actions where you're second best across the pitch and you will be under some pressure and then anything can happen. For it to happen in minute one was incredibly disappointing.

I just struggle to see that happening in championship pedigree teams. Big characters (eg. Roy Keane already mentioned), big leaders, big teams striving for perfection just wouldn't stand for it and get caught cold like that. I don't care if people scoff at it, this team can scrap better than any Spurs team I have seen but we're still really lax and naïve in certain, smaller, often overlooked aspects of the game - which can still add up and get you across the line and be the difference - and these often come to the fore at key moments/big games.

We need more leadership and as a group for them to set even better standards and stamp it out. Play smarter, for longer, and strive for perfection in everything they do.

You're right and wrong

You're spot-on when talking about leadership and striving for perfection; being switched on and up for it.

But you've also got to remember that title-winning sides aren't created out of thin air.

Usually they take a few seasons to grow and develop, with painful defeats along the way. How many beatings did Fergie's Man Utd take before them became a dominant force at home and in Europe? Even Liverpool lost the final last year, yet here they are again this year.

I'm sure we'll get there in the end; we just need to continue to improve, even if that means inch by inch.

spursfan77 · Jun 2, 2019

EastLondonYid said:
Getting to a CL final must surely change our mentality.

We know we can get to the top table, we have set the bar high now, i can see us being really strong and confident in next seasons CL group stages and it wouldn't surprise me if we have another great run again .

Or more likely the owners will think that we got to a champions league final operating as we are so why change the way we operate. That’s how they think.

EastLondonYid · Jun 2, 2019

spursfan77 said:
Or more likely the owners will think that we got to a champions league final operating as we are so why change the way we operate. That’s how they think.

My point was on how our players mentality will have hopefully changed not the owners.

Poch has made it clear where he stands on where we go as a club here on, do you really believe the club will not back him this window?
I will be shocked if that happened, i think Poch will get their full backing or they will be looking for a new coach .

hellava_tough · Jun 2, 2019

EastLondonYid said:
Getting to a CL final must surely change our mentality.

We know we can get to the top table, we have set the bar high now, i can see us being really strong and confident in next seasons CL group stages and it wouldn't surprise me if we have another great run again .

To put it in perspective:

2015/16 - Europa League Last 16
2016/17 - Champions League Group Stage
2017/18 - Champions League Last 16
2018/19 - Champions League Final

Slowly but surely...

...actually, sod that; we've very quickly got up to speed in the Champions League!

DannyNZ · Jun 2, 2019

Oh Teddy Teddy said:
There are other positions I’d be focused on replacing and improving before GK.

He did nothing wrong last night (though you could argue he should have been clearer with Rose in the lead-up to the corner), but big saves have given us the platform this season to beat City, and to nick CL from Arsenal.

To improve on him, we’d need to spend more than we can afford to on that position.

This really depends on the role Poch wants the keeper to play, if we want a keeper comfortable with the ball at his feet then this is not Hugo. It was painful watching us play back to him and frankly pointless. If we want a quality shot stopper then Hugo is right up there but then stop the passing around the back.

Metalhead · Jun 2, 2019

Weird game - left me feeling a bit empty. We never really got going. We had some chances but it didn't feel special. Had we lost a classic 4-3 it might have felt different but the 3 week gap seemed to have affected both teams.

shelfboy68 · Jun 2, 2019

freeeki said:
In reality, we got to the final far too early. I have no doubt that Poch and Levy’s long term plan at the start of the season would have said that we shouldn’t have been getting to CL finals for another 3-4 years.

It’s been a great experience in terms of showing us what we can achieve, and giving us valuable European final experience.

But this was never meant to be our night, or our year. I’m sure of it. It was a lucky and enjoyable fluke which will hopefully have many positive outcomes for years to come.

It’s also shown Pochettino which of his players turn up when it matters, and which don’t. I’ve seen nothing in the last 6 months to suggest the likes of Alli and Eriksen can’t be upgraded, and tonight solidified that for me. I’m sure Poch saw it too.

We’re good. We’re very good. But we’re a few years and a few hundred million quid away from really competing at the moment, and that’s fine.

From here we need to be brave. We need to be unafraid to let players go who have hit their ceiling, and be bold in the transfer market. It’s time to take risks and spend the big bucks when we need to, and be aware that some big money players won’t come good.

We need to meet the asking prices for players like Ndombele, Lo Celso, De Ligt and not have a repeat of the absolute shambles which was the Grealish saga last summer.

The future is very bright but this summer is the most crucial in our history. Levy has to get this right. It’s non-negotiable now. If we don’t, Pool and City will get too far ahead to ever be caught.

As for us fans, we just need to buckle in and enjoy the ride.

But Liverpool got to the final and won it with a manager who started after poch had started his so called journey.
The team did not perform again as so often has been the case especially in big games and the semi final whilst exciting just temporary masked those problems.

freeeki · Jun 2, 2019

shelfboy68 said:
But Liverpool got to the final and won it with a manager who started after poch had started his so called journey.
The team did not perform again as so often has been the case especially in big games and the semi final whilst exciting just temporary masked those problems.

Can you honestly say you had your sights set on winning the CL at the start of this season, in reality?

I can’t, and I doubt anyone else on here can either.

Liverpool on the other hand have been focused on it since they lost in Kiev last season.

It doesn’t matter who started their job first, our project and Liverpool’s project are totally different. They’ve learned from their previous downfalls, plugged holes in their squad, been prepared to let star players leave (Suarez, Coutinho), and reinvested the money smartly.

Compare and contrast with Spurs - we’ve spent most of the last two seasons homeless, and we have signed one player in two years.

Reaching the final was a huge overachievement (and I don’t want to hear knee jerk nonsense about how we deserved to be there - yes we deserved to be there, but that doesn’t mean that we didn’t defy all expectations to get there, including our own); now we have to look at what clubs like Liverpool have done over the past few years and learn from it.

I don’t care about the Manchester Cities of the world who are there because of oil money. Liverpool have grafted to be where they are and they’re what we should be trying to emulate now.

spursfan77 · Jun 2, 2019

EastLondonYid said:
My point was on how our players mentality will have hopefully changed not the owners.

Poch has made it clear where he stands on where we go as a club here on, do you really believe the club will not back him this window?
I will be shocked if that happened, i think Poch will get their full backing or they will be looking for a new coach .

I’ve really have no idea. History tells me no though. I don’t think poch will leave either way either.

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