Finchyid
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Thats just nonsense why would levy except less than £25m? He can be sold but there is no way in this world it is less than £25m
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Player watch: Toby Alderweireld
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Thats just nonsense why would levy except less than £25m? He can be sold but there is no way in this world it is less than £25m
spursfan77
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Me too. Let’s hope he doesn’t leave now if someone bids massively for him!
I doubt they will though. He’ll play for us this season.
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I'm not sure why people are surprised. Spend one more season at a CL club where he is happy and both him and his dad will pocket best part of £10m each + double his current wages when he moves on a free next year. Instead of wondering why he is staying it's easier to ask why would you go now?
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Finchyid
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Exactly, if someone wanted Toby they would have paid £25m as now they will have to deal with Levy and the price is not going to be less than £25m.
As for Toby its actually a win situation, play for the best team in the world, sign a new contract possibly with a release clause that says he can leave for Ajax on a free at any time.
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Wouldn't be surprised if clubs did get in contact with Toby's 'people' but found his demands too high. After all, he can negotiate a signing on fee in 12 months time and a salary comensurate with a Bosman transfer, so any demands he made now would reflect that. The interesting part is the 'one of Toby and Poch will be gone this window' ITK from a while back. I'd imagine that has now been scrapped as an idea.
JKendall13
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Anyone have Telegraph access and can post the entirety of this article? Thanks in advance!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...clubs-decided-against-bargain-summer-25mtoby/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...clubs-decided-against-bargain-summer-25mtoby/
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It's a long one so I've put it in a spoiler
It looked like the easiest deal of the summer and yet Toby Alderweireld’s £25million Tottenham Hotspur release clause this week expired leaving the Belgian to consider whether or not to run down his final year or sign a new contract with the club.
As reported by Telegraph Sport, Spurs chairman Daniel Levy will now tell any club that comes calling late for Alderweireld that his price is £40m which further increases the prospect of him starting the season in Mauricio Pochettino’s defence.
The obvious question is why? Why do Manchester United think that Harry Maguire is worth £55m more than Alderweireld? Why did Manchester City not turn to the former Southampton man after deciding they would go no higher than £65m for Maguire? And why haven’t one of Europe’s top clubs seized on the opportunity to sign the central defender?
Perhaps the easiest of those questions to answer is that of City, whose signing of Spanish midfielder Rodri filled their foreign quota for their Premier League and Champions League squads.
City are now under pressure to make sure that any further additions are home-grown unless they can sell some of their foreign fringe players who could then be replaced. The situation in part explains the possibility of a move for Bournemouth defender Nathan Ake before the transfer window shuts because the Holland international qualifies as home-grown thanks to his Chelsea upbringing.
United’s stance is more difficult to explain. Alderweireld has been on a list of their back-up options to £80m-rated Maguire, but a number of pundits and observers have expressed the opinion that he should have been their first choice.
Certainly his age counted against him. At 30, Alderweireld is four years older than Maguire and would want at least £200,000-a-week which is considerably more than the England international would demand to move to Old Trafford.
But even a difference of around £5m-a-year in wages would only make up £20m, spread over four years, of the £55m more United would have to spend on Maguire in comparison to what they could have got Alderweireld for.
To put the fee set in the clause into some kind of context, Aston Villa agreed a deal worth £26.5m for Tyrone Mings and Brighton and Burnley put £40m valuations on Lewis Dunk and James Tarkowski.
Alderweireld has won 90 international caps for Belgium, which is 67 more than Maguire, Dunk, Tarkowski and Mings have amassed between them.
There is, of course, no guarantee Alderweireld would have wanted to leave Tottenham for United, given Spurs reached last season’s Champions League final and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s team will this season compete in the Europa League.
Alderweireld has not chased a move away from Tottenham this summer and that may be because the prospect of United was not particularly appealing. Similarly, Roma’s interest was not deemed worth fighting over and the Italians could never afford to put together an attractive package.
Juventus might have managed to turn Alderweireld’s head, but the Italians signed 19-year-old Matthijs de Ligt from Ajax and Inter Milan preferred 33-year-old free agent Diego Godin.
The likelihood of Alderweireld staying at Tottenham has been welcomed by the club’s supporters, but it may not represent such good news for Pochettino and chairman Daniel Levy if he does not extend his contract.
Alderweireld was one of the players who could have earned the club money to boost their transfer funds, while Pochettino may not relish being forced to rely on a man running down his final 12 months - however committed the player claims to be.
Pochettino this week vowed not to speak on transfers or contract situations, which perhaps suggested he is not completely satisfied with the supposed summer rebuild so far.
The only winner in the Alderweireld puzzle seems to be the player himself. He will either earn a lucrative new contract at Tottenham or leave on a free transfer with the associated personal riches this time next year.
As reported by Telegraph Sport, Spurs chairman Daniel Levy will now tell any club that comes calling late for Alderweireld that his price is £40m which further increases the prospect of him starting the season in Mauricio Pochettino’s defence.
The obvious question is why? Why do Manchester United think that Harry Maguire is worth £55m more than Alderweireld? Why did Manchester City not turn to the former Southampton man after deciding they would go no higher than £65m for Maguire? And why haven’t one of Europe’s top clubs seized on the opportunity to sign the central defender?
Perhaps the easiest of those questions to answer is that of City, whose signing of Spanish midfielder Rodri filled their foreign quota for their Premier League and Champions League squads.
City are now under pressure to make sure that any further additions are home-grown unless they can sell some of their foreign fringe players who could then be replaced. The situation in part explains the possibility of a move for Bournemouth defender Nathan Ake before the transfer window shuts because the Holland international qualifies as home-grown thanks to his Chelsea upbringing.
United’s stance is more difficult to explain. Alderweireld has been on a list of their back-up options to £80m-rated Maguire, but a number of pundits and observers have expressed the opinion that he should have been their first choice.
Certainly his age counted against him. At 30, Alderweireld is four years older than Maguire and would want at least £200,000-a-week which is considerably more than the England international would demand to move to Old Trafford.
But even a difference of around £5m-a-year in wages would only make up £20m, spread over four years, of the £55m more United would have to spend on Maguire in comparison to what they could have got Alderweireld for.
To put the fee set in the clause into some kind of context, Aston Villa agreed a deal worth £26.5m for Tyrone Mings and Brighton and Burnley put £40m valuations on Lewis Dunk and James Tarkowski.
Alderweireld has won 90 international caps for Belgium, which is 67 more than Maguire, Dunk, Tarkowski and Mings have amassed between them.
There is, of course, no guarantee Alderweireld would have wanted to leave Tottenham for United, given Spurs reached last season’s Champions League final and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s team will this season compete in the Europa League.
Alderweireld has not chased a move away from Tottenham this summer and that may be because the prospect of United was not particularly appealing. Similarly, Roma’s interest was not deemed worth fighting over and the Italians could never afford to put together an attractive package.
Juventus might have managed to turn Alderweireld’s head, but the Italians signed 19-year-old Matthijs de Ligt from Ajax and Inter Milan preferred 33-year-old free agent Diego Godin.
The likelihood of Alderweireld staying at Tottenham has been welcomed by the club’s supporters, but it may not represent such good news for Pochettino and chairman Daniel Levy if he does not extend his contract.
Alderweireld was one of the players who could have earned the club money to boost their transfer funds, while Pochettino may not relish being forced to rely on a man running down his final 12 months - however committed the player claims to be.
Pochettino this week vowed not to speak on transfers or contract situations, which perhaps suggested he is not completely satisfied with the supposed summer rebuild so far.
The only winner in the Alderweireld puzzle seems to be the player himself. He will either earn a lucrative new contract at Tottenham or leave on a free transfer with the associated personal riches this time next year.
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I'd like to think that he's seriously considering a new contract rather than leaving on a free next year but that's probably being ridiculously optimistic.
WalkerboyUK
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I'm wondering if his thoughts of rejoining Ajax at some point is what became a sticking point in any potential move elsewhere.
If he's wanting big wages but only a short term contract (2yrs for example) I would think clubs would be reluctant to sign him up.
Do you really want to pay £150-200k per week to someone who is planning on walking away for free 2 years later??
If he's wanting big wages but only a short term contract (2yrs for example) I would think clubs would be reluctant to sign him up.
Do you really want to pay £150-200k per week to someone who is planning on walking away for free 2 years later??
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i am happy, we have a fantastic centre back for another year, we would not have been able to get anybody better in. Gives us more time to see if Foyth and sanchez can step up. I think he is looking to go back to Ajax, only way that is likely to happen is on a free so they can pay him decent wages. I have no problems with it, people always complain about players not fulfilling their contracts, Toby is actually going to, lol
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Not much to it, but the Mirror running that we want to reopen contract talks with toby. Doesn’t really mesh with past ITK or common sense that toby wants that fat signing bonus on a bosman but ... maybe! https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...am-hoping-hold-toby-alderweireld-18782246.amp
It makes potentially perfect sense. Until today, any potential contract talks have to factor in, from the club's point of view, a loss of £25m compensation fee from what we'd have to match from another club.
Today that switches to any improved contract offer we have being worth more to Toby by £1m-per-20k to whatever he'd get next season, as his increased wages would start immediately. That's not a whopping financial difference, but it is a meaningful one.
The key factor is how much he'd like as a default option, all finances being equal, to stay at the club.
Good Doctor M
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Lads, if anyone wants a lesson in just how fucking little most of us know about football, take yourself back to page one of this thread and see the utter shite that was posted about Toby's ability as we saw it before he signed for us.
Seems as slow as Fazio from what I've seen. If we're going to play a high line we need quick defenders. He isn't quick.
I don't particularly see what he'd bring. He's quite good at most things defensively, but doesn't particularly excel at anything.
Not getting too much of a boner from this guy. Put Fazio in a team that defends in a low block with Schneiderlin and Wanyama in front of him, and he'd probably look pretty impressive.
He is slow, he is made to look better than he is, benefiting from a very well cooperating entity, he wouldn't survive a day in Pochettino's hazardous high messing – I mean pressing – and there is an abundance of better names we should be pursuing.
Seems as slow as Fazio from what I've seen. If we're going to play a high line we need quick defenders. He isn't quick.
I don't particularly see what he'd bring. He's quite good at most things defensively, but doesn't particularly excel at anything.
Not getting too much of a boner from this guy. Put Fazio in a team that defends in a low block with Schneiderlin and Wanyama in front of him, and he'd probably look pretty impressive.
He is slow, he is made to look better than he is, benefiting from a very well cooperating entity, he wouldn't survive a day in Pochettino's hazardous high messing – I mean pressing – and there is an abundance of better names we should be pursuing.
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WalkerboyUK
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£25 million transfer fee, massive signing fee, £150-200k per week, all for what would probably be 2 years?
No-one was going to make that offer.
Free transfer next summer, signing fee, £150-200k per week - may get a few offers but again, length of potential contract might put suitors off.
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I'm not saying other clubs might not go for it, I'm saying this whole back to Ajax on a free thing doesn't make sense with the idea that he's holding out for a big pay day.
JKendall13
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The whole back to Ajax thing is a completely made up thing. I think people jumped a million miles to conclusions after some nothing PR answers Toby gave about the club when we played them in Chmps Lge.
Aside from making no sense for Toby wanting payday, it would also go against just about everything ajax is about building youth for the future.
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