Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Spurrific]

If it was a case of one piece of the ITk, I'd agree with you. But this is cumulative and supports what we've seen on the pitch at times, claims of attitude problems in France and what the likes of Ally Gold has said regarding leaks. There would have to be one hell of a well coordinated agenda for there not to be truth in it. I'm the ITK's get their info from differing sources and often contradict each other. But in recent weeks, they are all seemingly saying similar things regarding NDombele.

Also "gammons?" Please tell me you aren't Owen Jones type!

I won’t get into the ITK stuff, as it’ll be perceived as me bashing and I’ll get banned however well-intended I am.

As for gammons, there’s a few posters on here who crop up in the positive ratings of any post slagging off Ndombele (Regardless of rationality), I consider them gammons. I’m not calling you one, nor am I anything like Owen Jones

 

[he is you know!]

£65m?

The price changes anytime there is a report. Its been done to death in this thread, what Lyon reported, what we think we've paid.

Whatever top figure is reported we won't be paying that because he will never meet the add ons included.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

If you can find a post like that from me about NDombele, you might have a point. I’m pretty sure you won’t though.

I said ‘fans’ - as in the collective. The whole way through negotiations fans were doubting levy would get the deal done, because apparently he’s so tight. And when he finally goes above and beyond, to beat other top clubs, to the signature of his managers top target we then get comments like yours. Don’t you see the irony?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Ahem?? I’m firmly in the keep him camp. He signed to play for Poch, started well, got injured. Recovered, had another niggling injury, then Poch gets sacked. Jose comes in, Covid hits, more injury problems. Doesn’t speak the language, injuries, new country, global pandemic and people are surprised he hasn’t blown us all away. I’d argue Lo Celso hasn’t either, he just happens to be far fitter and more of a natural scrapper.

If he comes good for us, we’ll be laughing. If we sell him, we won’t be able to sign a player as talented for a while - especially without CL.

I reckon this is where we've gone wrong. This is also false - plenty of teams around us have been able to purchase players for reasonable amounts in todays markets and they've been talented enough to play for us with room to become something more.

I reckon this is on the club - big ticket signings and Spurs just don't seem to go hand in hand for a large % of the time - we've made more superstars than we've bought.

 

[carmeldevil]

And other fans are so entrenched in their view that he’s “an utter bellend” that they believe everything they read (ITK is frequently agenda-laden) as it reinforces their view. How the fuck was the **** supposed to be training if he’s been diagnosed with covid and self isolating? Jose himself said he’d been training well after project restart it’s just convenient for the frothing-at-the-mouth gammons to forget that.

am with you. People forgot José got a bit of trouble for training with Ndombele during lockdown.
Prefer to give him one full season to develop.

 

[McFlash]

I'm really split on this.
I'd love to give him this season to get settled, get his head down and show us what he can do. I don't like writing players off after their first season, especially when that season has been as much of a mess as this last one.

But, agenda driven or not, I can't help thinking that there's something behind these rumours.
If that's the case, I'd rather get rid than have a rotten smell stinking the dressing room out for the next 6 months.

It's a disappointing place to be after our hopes were so high, so I can understand why some people are angry at the situation.

 

[Tucker]

I said ‘fans’ - as in the collective. The whole way through negotiations fans were doubting levy would get the deal done, because apparently he’s so tight. And when he finally goes above and beyond, to beat other top clubs, to the signature of his managers top target we then get comments like yours. Don’t you see the irony?

No, it would be ironic if I had spent last summer whining about not signing NDombele quickly enough, but I didn’t.

Don’t really care what “other fans” may or may not have been saying, because they aren’t me. The club massively dropped the ball on this transfer, and we have a track record of botching our big money signings. From Postiga and Rebrov, to Soldado and Janssen. We never seem to learn that spending big doesn’t mean a square peg will fit a round hole.

 

[jordibwoy]

My favorite scene from this movie, I've used this so many times since I fist saw it.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

No, it would be ironic if I had spent last summer whining about not signing NDombele quickly enough, but I didn’t.

Don’t really care what “other fans” may or may not have been saying, because they aren’t me. The club massively dropped the ball on this transfer, and we have a track record of botching our big money signings. From Postiga and Rebrov, to Soldado and Janssen. We never seem to learn that spending big doesn’t mean a square peg will fit a round hole.

Whatever. It’s easy to be captain hindsight but the general consensus was that NDombele was the perfect Dembele replacement, but more importantly wanted by Poch. The fact Levy was backing his manager flew in the face of the general opinion.

 

[WiganSpur]

I don't necessarily blame the club for what might happen with this situation. But better to expect just a backup striker in now and for either Ndombele to stay and warm the bench or be loaned with an option. Pretty much accept the squad as it is now going in to the new season and we might get a nice surprise which would be him miraculously getting his act together or us sourcing a replacement.

 

[St José Dominguez]

The ideal world is he stays, wants to be here and tries. I doubt there’s more than a couple of Spurs fans around that can’t see how damn talented he is. If he goes clearly the club has given up on him because you don’t let someone with his ability leave after a year unless there’s irreparable problems behind the scenes.
Personally I’d love it to work out here for him but we need someone who Jose trusts and who performs to best of his abilities otherwise it’s a waste of an important spot in squad.

 

[spursfan77]

No, it would be ironic if I had spent last summer whining about not signing NDombele quickly enough, but I didn’t.

Don’t really care what “other fans” may or may not have been saying, because they aren’t me. The club massively dropped the ball on this transfer, and we have a track record of botching our big money signings. From Postiga and Rebrov, to Soldado and Janssen. We never seem to learn that spending big doesn’t mean a square peg will fit a round hole.

I thought when we bought him it was a big risk spending so much money on this player. Mentioned it a couple of times last summer. One because of buying from France and the other for the reasons you mentioned above.

 

[Tucker]

I thought when we bought him it was a big risk spending so much money on this player. Mentioned it a couple of times last summer. One because of buying from France and the other for the reasons you mentioned above.

There’s a big difference between backing your manager, and giving a relatively untested youngster the same wages as Harry Kane. In any world that’s at least going to cause morale issues among the established players who are getting paid less.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Definitely one of the strangest transfers in our history. Seemed a real coup when we signed him and a sign of intent.

 

[thebenjamin]

Definitely one of the strangest transfers in our history. Seemed a real coup when we signed him and a sign of intent.

It really did. Probably the definition of a YouTube player. He looks the absolute tits if you watch his highlights, trouble is the rest of the time he's got a deck chair out.

 

[DiVaio]

There’s a big difference between backing your manager, and giving a relatively untested youngster the same wages as Harry Kane. In any world that’s at least going to cause morale issues among the established players who are getting paid less.

Ndombele as relatively untested youngster?

 

[Tucker]

Ndombele as relatively untested youngster?

He had one decent season of top flight football and was 22 when we signed him. He had a history of attitude/fitness issues too, then all of a sudden we swoop in and give him 200k a week, I bet his agent couldn't believe his luck.

 

[DiVaio]

He had one decent season of top flight football and was 22 when we signed him. He had a history of attitude/fitness issues too, then all of a sudden we swoop in and give him 200k a week, I bet his agent couldn't believe his luck.

At age of 19 he played 1899 mins in Ligue 2 with 0,43 G+A per 90 and he joined 4th team from Ligue 1 next season, that's impressive. After his first season for Lyon clubs like City and Tottenham were interested. Next season is another 2690 mins with 0,27 goal involvement per 90. He also played 1342 mins in Europe including fantastic matches against Barcelona or City.

That's is very good for what is supposed to be one 'DECENT' season. Someone with more than 6k minutes for top club from top 5 league and being called up for France first team isn't relatively untested youngster too.

He didn't have any fitness issue before Tottenham move, and all of a sudden we gave him 200k a week because he was exactly what we need at midfield and was one of most sought-after player in the world

It really did. Probably the definition of a YouTube player. He looks the absolute tits if you watch his highlights, trouble is the rest of the time he's got a deck chair out.

Sorry, but the 'YouTube player' as you described Ndombele aren't accidentally in 90th percentile for his defensive numbers as midfielder from top5 league.

 

[Rosco1984]

Alleged lazy fuck.

0 sprints as a CM in a half of football wasn't an allegation it was there for the whole world to see.

 

[Tucker]

At age of 19 he played 1899 mins in Ligue 2 with 0,43 G+A per 90 and he joined 4th team from Ligue 1 next season, that's impressive. After his first season for Lyon clubs like City and Tottenham were interested. Next season is another 2690 mins with 0,27 goal involvement per 90. He also played 1342 mins in Europe including fantastic matches against Barcelona or City.

That's is very good for what is supposed to be one 'DECENT' season. Someone with more than 6k minutes for top club from top 5 league and being called up for France first team isn't relatively untested youngster too.

He didn't have any fitness issue before Tottenham move, and all of a sudden we gave him 200k a week because he was exactly what we need at midfield and was one of most sought-after player in the world

One season, or two. Giving him parity with Kane was reckless, and we are now paying the price for that mistake. For those kind of wages you expect a player that delivers 9/10 times. Not someone who is out sprinted by a keeper against fucking Burnley.