Messi

[sausage]

I am not saying it’s his fault i am just saying him and his family could stay if he wanted them too

No he cannot. They are not allowed to register him.

Ah Amo i did not know that - even if he played for free? I thought it was about the total wage bill

I actually found this quite funny reading his comments

"I did everything I could to stay"
"boo hoo I didn't want to leave"

After all, he only wanted £1m a week to stay, after halving the £2m a week he's been harvesting from the club, as well as the taxes he was trying to not pay.

Crocodile tears from a mercenary, no less. If he really wanted to stay he could have. It's just he's not quite filthy rich enough to do if for less than £1m a week.

(bear in mind he'll uproot his wife and kids in the process)

 

[jonnyp]

I actually found this quite funny reading his comments

"I did everything I could to stay"
"boo hoo I didn't want to leave"

After all, he only wanted £1m a week to stay, after halving the £2m a week he's been harvesting from the club, as well as the taxes he was trying to not pay.

Crocodile tears from a mercenary, no less. If he really wanted to stay he could have. It's just he's not quite filthy rich enough to do if for less than £1m a week.

(bear in mind he'll uproot his wife and kids in the process)

He could stay but he can't play football for Barcelona no matter what his wages were agreed.

 

[Col_M]

You can see why the Super League was so important to Madrid and Barca.

 

[sausage]

He could stay but he can't play football for Barcelona no matter what his wages were agreed.

Nonsense - they're not on a transfer ban, they're under a strict budget and he doesn't fit into it.

 

[jonnyp]

Nonsense - they're not on a transfer ban, they're under a strict budget and he doesn't fit into it.

Wrong. No one ever said anything about transfer ban.

They cannot register players until they slash their wage budget.

 

[Marty]

Nonsense - they're not on a transfer ban, they're under a strict budget and he doesn't fit into it.

Read the last page again.

Messi can't sign a contract with Barca for less than 50% of his previous wage because Spanish employment law forbids it.

As his last contract expired on June 30th, La Liga count him as a new player when it comes to player registration for next season.

Even without giving Messi a penny Barcelona are still in breach of the FFP regulations which means right now none of their new signings, Aguero, Emerson or anyone else, can be registered before there are some serious sales made.

How deep do you want to go before realising there is literally no agreement Barca and Messi could come to that lead to him staying at the club and being legally registered to play?

 

[sausage]

Wrong.

Lionel Messi: Is he really leaving Barcelona? Why is he leaving? Where will he move next?

Lionel Messi looks set to leave Barcelona 18 years after his senior debut for the club, with president Joan Laporta blaming the disastrous management of the previous regime; will Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester City or another club be his next move?

www.skysports.com

"Wage caps in La Liga are calculated prospectively based on a club's financial health and they must adhere to their cap in order to avoid future financial penalties. La Liga will only permit Barcelona to spend 70 per cent of their turnover on their wage bill, but Laporta stated on Friday with Messi's new contract the club would have spent 110 per cent - even with him gone, that figure remains at 95 per cent."

 

[jonnyp]

Lionel Messi: Is he really leaving Barcelona? Why is he leaving? Where will he move next?

Lionel Messi looks set to leave Barcelona 18 years after his senior debut for the club, with president Joan Laporta blaming the disastrous management of the previous regime; will Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester City or another club be his next move?

www.skysports.com

"Wage caps in La Liga are calculated prospectively based on a club's financial health and they must adhere to their cap in order to avoid future financial penalties. La Liga will only permit Barcelona to spend 70 per cent of their turnover on their wage bill, but Laporta stated on Friday with Messi's new contract the club would have spent 110 per cent - even with him gone, that figure remains at 95 per cent."

"La Liga will only permit Barcelona to spend 70 per cent of their turnover on their wage bill" and " even with him gone, that figure remains at 95 per cent."

What is it you don't understand about those two statements?

 

[sausage]

Read the last page again.

Messi can't sign a contract with Barca for less than 50% of his previous wage because Spanish employment law forbids it.

As his last contract expired on June 30th, La Liga count him as a new player when it comes to player registration for next season.

Even without giving Messi a penny Barcelona are still in breach of the FFP regulations which means right now none of their new signings, Aguero, Emerson or anyone else, can be registered before there are some serious sales made.

How deep do you want to go before realising there is literally no agreement Barca and Messi could come to that lead to him staying at the club and being legally registered to play?

It's nonsense. Just fluff put out there by apologists for Messi.

The document that people are referencing contains absolutely none of the stuff they are claiming it to. It's a case of people believing it just because it's on twitter. It simply doesn't exist.

 

[Marty]

It's nonsense. Just fluff put out there by apologists for Messi.

The document that people are referencing contains absolutely none of the stuff they are claiming it to. It's a case of people believing it just because it's on twitter. It simply doesn't exist.

Even if true Barcelona are still in breach of FFP regulations and can't register new players even without Messi taking a penny. How would you square that circle?

 

[sausage]

"La Liga will only permit Barcelona to spend 70 per cent of their turnover on their wage bill" and " even with him gone, that figure remains at 95 per cent."

What is it you don't understand about those two statements?

What don't you?

It's quite simple - if it's true they can't register Messi, then they can't register anyone else they signed this summer. If he was on Aguero or Depay etc. sized wages, he'd be registered instead of them on the basis that he's a pre-existing player by technicality.

This is all a very convenient way of parting ways whilst making noises of "neither of us are at fault and did everything we could". PR fluff.

 

[sausage]

Even if true Barcelona are still in breach of FFP regulations and can't register new players even without Messi taking a penny. How would you square that circle?

As per the above, if that is true then Garcia, Aguero and Depay would also be in the same situation (e.g. looking for a new club that isn't Barca). Yet, it's only Messi that's affected.



I'm shocked at how staunch people are being when it's all so blatant and convenient

 

[Hazelton]

So many assumptions being made towards a player who has been criticised for years for staying at Barcelona and is now being criticised for leaving. A player who arrived as a 13 year old child and leaves as a 34 year old man, a player who has no choice but to leave against his will in the worst possible way. No fans, no goodbye, no fairytale ending. It's a tragedy, whatever your feelings toward Messi or Barcelona may be.

I've already made it clear in the transfer thread but just for the record, Barcelona make far more out of Messi than he makes out of them. Since signing that now-famous contract in 2017, as of February he had generated just under €700m in revenue and earned around €400m of that figure. Eight of every ten shirts sold bear his name, tourists fly in just to watch him play, he isn't bigger than Barcelona but he's damn close.

People love to assess players contracts and criticise them for earning so much money but they're only paid in proportion to the income they generate. He made Barcelona around €250m in profit, why should he take less and let his employers benefit even more off him? Barcelona are in debt but that has nothing to do with him and more to do with the absolute shambles the previous board oversaw. 90% of their transfers have gone wrong in the last five years, spending massive amounts of money on old or unnecessary players who have gone on to flop, yet Messi is expected to play for free (he can't anyway) in order to maintain these misfits? Farcical.

It's a terrible situation but it's been entirely caused and worsened by the club. You can dislike his moving to PSG or the impact this will have on the upcoming season but he deserves none of the blame for what has happened at Barca, who can't even register Depay, Aguero or Emerson for official competition as it stands. The ones most effected by this are the Barcelona fans and NONE of them blame him in the slightest, which should tell you everything you need to know.

 

[Marty]

As per the above, if that is true then Garcia, Aguero and Depay would also be in the same situation (e.g. looking for a new club that isn't Barca). Yet, it's only Messi that's affected.

I'm shocked at how staunch people are being when it's all so blatant and convenient.

They literally haven't registered those players though (month old article but point still stands)

Barcelona cannot register Lionel Messi, Depay and Aguero as report reveals huge problems

Barcelona are in a real mess

www.givemesport.com

 

[jonnyp]

What don't you?

It's quite simple - if it's true they can't register Messi, then they can't register anyone else they signed this summer. If he was on Aguero or Depay etc. sized wages, he'd be registered instead of them on the basis that he's a pre-existing player by technicality.

This is all a very convenient way of parting ways whilst making noises of "neither of us are at fault and did everything we could". PR fluff.

You're starting to get it now.

 

[sausage]

They literally haven't registered those players though (month old article but point still stands)

Barcelona cannot register Lionel Messi, Depay and Aguero as report reveals huge problems

Barcelona are in a real mess

www.givemesport.com

You're starting to get it now.

Which is fine, if you ignore Laporta even saying himself the other day (as per the tweet above) "According to our calculations, we can register Memphis Depay, Eric Garcia and Kun Agüero"

 

[Marty]

Which is fine, if you ignore Laporta even saying himself the other day (as per the tweet above) "According to our calculations, we can register Memphis Depay, Eric Garcia and Kun Agüero"

So they can register three players - just about - but can't register a fourth who costs more than the rest combined.

I still don't see anything that suggests Messi could easily stay.

 

[jonnyp]

Which is fine, if you ignore Laporta even saying himself the other day (as per the tweet above) "According to our calculations, we can register Memphis Depay, Eric Garcia and Kun Agüero"

Pretty sure that is contingent on offloading a load of players because from the link you provided their wages are still at 95% of their total budget even after Messi has gone. They have very little time to sort all this out.

 

[sausage]

So they can register three players - just about - but can't register a fourth who costs more than the rest combined.

I still don't see anything that suggests Messi could easily stay.

Well this is the point - they can't register him because he's still asking for too much. There is no rule saying he can't earn less (that's just fiction, the law doesn't exist for his wages).

The whole point is that it's crocodile tears to say that there's "nothing he could do" and would do anything to stay. As much as he might somehow justify the money, it doesn't change the fact that, at the core, it is still about money. That's all the point is - if he was willing to earn Aguero money, he would still be there.

 

[UncleBuck]

I haven’t read all the thread so apologies if this is repetitive but as I understood it, Barca’s finances are such that la Liga in accordance with ffp rules cant and won’t allow them to register any new plahers.

And since Messiis contract had expired and not extended, if they did a deal with him now they'd have to register him as a new player, which they are now not allowed to do, even if he agreed to play for nothing.

I think that’s hilarious, what a balls up from a club that is supposed to be one of the biggest in the world.
Stadium has been falling to pieces for years but they pay Messi €2m a week or whatever it is, one player doesn’t make a club but in this instance he can certainly break it.
Let’s hope we’ll start seeing fewer kids walking around with Barca kits on as well so that their merchandising revenue nosedives.