James Ward-Prowse

[JayB]

8 goals and 7 assists in the league last season. 5 goals and 3 assists the previous season.

Winks had a massive 0 goals and assists in the league the last two seasons (obviously he didn't play much last season)

JWP has 3 motm performances in that time. Winks 0.

He's made more tackles, clearances and interceptions per game than winks over the last two seasons, and has played more key passes than winks.

Even a small upgrade in all these metrics in our midfield makes a huge difference to our team, especially if we can't rely on Tanguy, and if Lo Celso is injured for any point of time.

Not to mention that when surrounded by better players he's likely to kick on and become even more effective. Imagine him feeding balls into Son and Reguilon instead of Che Adams and Ryan Bertrand. He'd very likely have even better stats in our team.

 

[AJW]

Winks genuinely hasn't even got half of that in his entire career.

He's so shite it's unreal.

I can’t be bothered to check but I would bet most of those came from set plays - not that it is a criticism

 

[curlacious]

He'd only go for £50m. That's his market value given the deals this summer.

 

[wadewill]

Great little player. I think he would thrive in a better side

 

[Fredo]

Isnt JWP just a shit eriksen? Not too sure about him

 

[hutchiniho]

A perfect signing, especially in those unquantifiable aspects of, attitude, workrate, leadership, commitment.
Not flashy, although his set pieces are excellent, but would do a brilliant job in our midfield.
Would have him over Winks/Sissoko/TN every day of the week.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

I imagine any deal will include winks or/and dier.

There is no point in having winks and jwp in the squad.

Personally I would offer dier, winks and Doherty for jwp and kwp. But that would be a stretch on FM, let alone real life.

In fact I'd it was me in charge I would offer them dier, winks, Doherty and sissoko and have them throw in vestergaard as well. Fuck it, they can have aurier too as a sweetener.

Fabio's job is easy.

 

[shoggy33]

As long as Kane still takes free kicks

 

[DaleMurphy]

think he would strive in a club like ours

idk about $50mil but I like the player

 

[Sweech]

I like him as a player, but I don’t like what I imagine it would cost. Think he’d be massively overpriced.

Would far sooner go for Pjanic who would likely be close to free and is an incredibly similar player except not HG and older.

If the rumour about a swap for Dier were true then I’d be all for it. Otherwise paying a huge price for JWP seems like poor business.

 

[DiVaio]

8 goals and 7 assists in the league last season. 5 goals and 3 assists the previous season.

Winks had a massive 0 goals and assists in the league the last two seasons (obviously he didn't play much last season)

JWP has 3 motm performances in that time. Winks 0.

He's made more tackles, clearances and interceptions per game than winks over the last two seasons, and has played more key passes than winks.

Even a small upgrade in all these metrics in our midfield makes a huge difference to our team, especially if we can't rely on Tanguy, and if Lo Celso is injured for any point of time.

And most of this because as @JUSTINSIGNAL said he is good at set pieces. From 13 goals only 2 are from open play. From 10 assists only one against West Ham is from open play.

Not sure what's the source for MOTM performances but yeah I guess he got one for example against Aston Villa because again, he scored 2 free kicks in one match.

Stats per 90 are much more accurate than per game and this really isn't difference when you also consider Spurs had higher % of possession

God no. People complain about Winks but JWP is pretty much the same player but with the ability to take free kicks.

Or even worse. People complain how Winks doesn't offer anything offensively but there really isn't difference

last 2 seasons combined per 90	Ward-Prowse	Winks
xG+xA	0,29	0,05
xG+xA without set-pieces	0,08	0,04
key passes	1,55	0,67
key passes without set-pieces	0,51	0,50
passes to final 3rd without set-pieces	3,80	6,49
progressive passes	4,01	5,61
shot-creating actions	2,50	1,34
shot-creating actions without set-pieces	1,13	1,17
progressive carries	2,58	4,91

 

[moomin]

i'd take JWP over Sissoko any day

 

[Aphex]

And most of this because as @JUSTINSIGNAL said he is good at set pieces. From 13 goals only 2 are from open play. From 10 assists only one against West Ham is from open play.

Not sure what's the source for MOTM performances but yeah I guess he got one for example against Aston Villa because again, he scored 2 free kicks in one match.

Stats per 90 are much more accurate than per game and this really isn't difference when you also consider Spurs had higher % of possession

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Or even worse. People complain how Winks doesn't offer anything offensively but there really isn't difference

last 2 seasons combined per 90	Ward-Prowse	Winks
xG+xA	0,29	0,05
xG+xA without set-pieces	0,08	0,04
key passes	1,55	0,67
key passes without set-pieces	0,51	0,50
passes to final 3rd without set-pieces	3,80	6,49
progressive passes	4,01	5,61
shot-creating actions	2,50	1,34
shot-creating actions without set-pieces	1,13	1,17
progressive carries	2,58	4,91

But there is a difference, JWP assists and scores MUCH more, regardless if it is set pieces or not. By definition JWP offers far more offensively. His output last season was over twice as much as Winks entire career output. Who cares if JWP's output mostly comes from freekicks, he's one of the best in the league at it. You can't take a players main trait away and turn it into a negative. What does Winks do? absolutely nothing. He has 2 or 3 career goals and one was a mis-hit cross, it is pitiful.

Winks is a dreadful player, who we know offers nothing offensively, we've all watched him for many seasons now, and to suggest there is no difference offensively is completely untrue. Finally, the eye test - Winks fails it miserably.

JWP may not be THAT good that people want us to sign him, I get that, and we won't because Southampton will want 50 million, but I'd swap him for Winks in a heartbeat. At the very least JWPs far superior goals and assists will stregthen us considerably.

 

[DiVaio]

But there is a difference, JWP assists and scores MUCH more, regardless if it is set pieces or not. By definition JWP offers far more offensively. His output last season was over twice as much as Winks entire career output.

Winks is a dreadful player, who we know offers nothing offesneively, we've all watched him for many seasons now, and to suggest there is no difference offensively is completely untrue. Finally, the eye test - Winks fails it miserably.

Maybe Winks is a dreadful player. But JWP really isn't someone better that it's worth to let Winks go, especially when he wants to stay.
Yeah, JWP has better output but only because he takes set-pieces. I'm not really sure he would take them at Spurs.

I can't recall any player in last few years that were playing in top clubs because they are good at set pieces at nothing else, something that would happen with Ward-Prowse.

 

[Oscar22]

I love this idea that Ward-Prowse stats somehow aren’t as good because it’s set pieces. Even if let’s say at his most basic he’s the same level as Winks, the fact that he gets assists and goals ‘even just’ from set pieces, means he does something Winks doesnt, and that’s contribute something tangible and worthwhile to the team and it’s play.

 

[Aphex]

Maybe Winks is a dreadful player. But JWP really isn't someone better that it's worth to let Winks go, especially when he wants to stay.
Yeah, JWP has better output but only because he takes set-pieces. I'm not really sure he would take them at Spurs.

I can't recall any player in last few years that were playing in top clubs because they are good at set pieces at nothing else, something that would happen with Ward-Prowse.

Of course he would take them at Spurs. We have no set piece specialist and JWP is one of the best in the league.

Of course we should let Winks go, he offers nothing to the squad. JWP offers a much much better output in goals and assists, it's not even close. That is an instant improvement by a large distance in black and white.

You are making out like he's a complete no hoper at football apart from set pieces which is plainly false.

 

[GutBucket]

Good player but we can do better for 40m or whatever his price is, maybe there could be some swaps involved again.

 

[Danny1]

Not sure I see the requirement for him. He would have to replace one of Skipp or PEH as if we played all 3 we wouldn’t have a player who can carry the ball up the pitch or create in the final 3rd

 

[dtxspurs]

Don’t think it would be good value for the kind of money they would want

 

[DiVaio]

Of course he would take them at Spurs. We have no set piece specialist and JWP is one of the best in the league.

Kane definitely isn't our best free kick taker and he still somehow takes them. Don't know who was taking them for England when they were both playing though. Son last season was quite good for taking corner kicks, the same for current pre-season. I really wouldn't be surprised