Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[talkshowhost86]

Seriously? We won 2 then lost 2. We had a bad week again but its far too premature talking about sacking him. We're winning at home and losing away at the moment , that's all. Not sure how being 4th is unsavable.

Of the two we won only the Chelsea match should be seen as anything above okay...and that's generous considering how poor they'd been.

The FA Cup game and that abomination of a second half against Wolves far out-weigh any pros from two games

 

[talkshowhost86]

4th in name only. My fucking hairy arse. We are literally 4th ffs.

Hand on heart do you think we'll finish 4th playing the way are and have been all season?

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

We're 4th in name only at the moment

The City performance was great

Chelsea and West Ham should have been seen as basic wins...nothing to be hugely impressed by at all

Even if that is true, he’s still not being sacked for it.

 

[The Doc]

Hand on heart do you think we'll finish 4th playing the way are and have been all season?

That’s the thing though isn’t it? If we based our opinion on results this week, then absolutely no fucking chance. But. We could easily have been 2:0 up at Wolves and Liverpool could have conceded twice this pm before they got the 1st. It will change every week as no-one is particularly great or consistent this season. Lots of teams in transition I guess.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

He’s not getting sacked while we’re 4th and still in the CL. Poor results, but we’ve also just beaten City, West Ham and Chelsea.

Exactly, even if we go out on Wednesday he’s not getting the boot. Only way that happens is if we loose touch with 4th

 

[Hotspur33]

I've said it before and just want to see if anyone else thinks same way.
Conte and levy are desperate to try and ensure their reputation isn't harmed by this shit show of a season. Best way of doing that is try & get to end of season and then say that Conte needs to rest / recuperate in Italy after the year he had so Conte can say that's why he didn't win anything with us & Levy can say it wasn't another failure of an appointment.
It's all about PR now, either way he ain't here next season

I think if that were the case, now would be as good a time to do it, whilst he is actually at home recuperating.
If he comes back and is full of energy until the rest of the season but results are indifferent not sure that works from a PR point of view.

 

[DiVaio]

You just answered it. Key position LCB.

Oh Djed Spence was his choice then was it?

He wanted to keep all the current players and not upgrade?

Yeah, so he wasn't backed in one position. That most likely wouldn't change current Spurs problems.

Djed Spence wasn't his choice, but we weren't linked with any other right winbacks, we needed homegrown players also because his other transfer decisions and Conte looks like he really likes Emerson. Ofc Porro is very promising, but at the moment in those 3 games he didn't change that we can't create anything from open play. Neither his 1st choice transfer Perisic.

Who else then? There wasn't any serious links with other players and their transfers out. And we know history of Conte and not using players he doesn't want at all.
We can pretend Conte wasn't backed because we didn't sell Davinson and replaced him with 60m backup etc but I think everyone here realises how completely unrealistic that is

 

[talkshowhost86]

That’s the thing though isn’t it? If we based our opinion on results this week, then absolutely no fucking chance. But. We could easily have been 2:0 up at Wolves and Liverpool could have conceded twice this pm before they got the 1st. It will change every week as no-one is particularly great or consistent this season. Lots of teams in transition I guess.

We're not in transition though are we?

We have a manager who isn't changing anything either before or during games, and he hasn't committed to anything beyond June

We're about as far away from transition as it gets

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Hand on heart do you think we'll finish 4th playing the way are and have been all season?

Considering how inconsistent everyone else is around us I think we could quite possibly stubble along and end in 4th.

 

[rossdapep]

He won't be going anywhere until Paratici is gone.

If Paratici's appeal is rejected. That will be him gone and then Conte will have no-one to defend his corner.

Also makes it easier for Levy to absolve himself of blame and say the last 2 appointments were purely Paratici's choices.

 

[rossdapep]

He won't be going anywhere until Paratici is gone.

If Paratici's appeal is rejected. That will be him gone and then Conte will have no-one to defend his corner.

Also makes it easier for Levy to absolve himself of blame and say the last 2 appointments were purely Paratici's choices.

...and to be honest, if Levy had operated in this way throughout his tenure then I would defend him more.

If he had selected a DOF, had no input or decision of the coaches selected and it didnt work, then Id be fine with him hiring and firing DOFs every few years, cause it should work more in line with that.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

He won't be going anywhere until Paratici is gone.

If Paratici's appeal is rejected. That will be him gone and then Conte will have no-one to defend his corner.

Also makes it easier for Levy to absolve himself of blame and say the last 2 appointments were purely Paratici's choices.

Anyone who believes anything Daniel Levy says from now on has got to be the most gullible person since Robespierre successfully invited the Duke of Camembert to Paris for a haircut.

 

[SUIYHA]

4th in name only. My fucking hairy arse. We are literally 4th ffs.

Only because we've played more games than everyone else. We could go as low as 7th if Liverpool, Newcastle and Brighton win their games in hand. We have a worse goal difference than all three too.

 

[Trotter]

Anyone who believes anything Daniel Levy says from now on has got to be the most gullible person since Robespierre successfully invited the Duke of Camembert to Paris for a haircut.

Oh Do Carry On

 

[YB123]

Yeah, so he wasn't backed in one position. That most likely wouldn't change current Spurs problems.

Djed Spence wasn't his choice, but we weren't linked with any other right winbacks, we needed homegrown players also because his other transfer decisions and Conte looks like he really likes Emerson. Ofc Porro is very promising, but at the moment in those 3 games he didn't change that we can't create anything from open play. Neither his 1st choice transfer Perisic.

Who else then? There wasn't any serious links with other players and their transfers out. And we know history of Conte and not using players he doesn't want at all.
We can pretend Conte wasn't backed because we didn't sell Davinson and replaced him with 60m backup etc but I think everyone here realises how completely unrealistic that is

Lol how do you know who we wanted and didnt want. Because journalists didnt name them?....

 

[Stamford]

Why wasn't he backed then? Except LCB we bought his transfer targets and still Lenglet looks like his typical signing. We got rid of players he wanted to sell. The only player he didn't want at the club and didn't leave was Bryan on loan in summer but it happened in the next window.
There really isn't even one club in the world that would buy every first choice player for their manager. Backing him more after Bastoni or Gvardiol would most likely mean signings of absolutely mediocre players like McKennie, Dan James, Traore etc.

And let's be honest, we could buy top LCB but right now our biggest problem isn't defence but creating anything from open play. We went from 1,67 xG and scoring 2,44 goals(the most in the league) in last season since Conte came to 1,01 xG and scoring 1,88 goals this season after backing him with 60m forward.

How on bloody earth is Lenglet a Conte signing. No manager in their right mind is asking for Clement Lenglet. Thats just ludicrous. Not having that at all.

I'm not even defending Conte but we're fourth in goals scored. Its very much the defence that is the problem, thats the basis of the team and allows the players in front to play with confidence. Its not a coincidence that Arsenal have improved dramatically now they have proper CBs.

 

[The Doc]

Only because we've played more games than everyone else. We could go as low as 7th if Liverpool, Newcastle and Brighton win their games in hand. We have a worse goal difference than all three too.

We have won more games than everyone else aside from the 3 teams immediately above us too. Let’s ignore that tho as it doesn’t fit the narrative. Honestly, I really fucking hope some of you lot apply the same exacting standards to your own professional life as you do to the poor fucks who end up managing us. I’m not even a fan of Conte being here (that’s on Levy who knew who he is, what he does, and what he needs, but employed him anyway) but 16 months in and he should be what? Pissing top 4, winning things? Who the fucking fuck has managed to do that previously at this fucking club under our fucking **** chairman?

 

[DiVaio]

Lol how do you know who we wanted and didnt want. Because journalists didnt name them?....

Can I ask then how do you know who we wanted and didn't want? I guess the same journalists who said we wanted Bastoni... And If we don't trust journalists then at least you should ask Bastoni and his agent when you can find multiple quotes saying he loves Inter and wants to stay there

How on bloody earth is Lenglet a Conte signing. No manager in their right mind is asking for Clement Lenglet. Thats just ludicrous. Not having that at all.

I'm not even defending Conte but we're fourth in goals scored. Its very much the defence that is the problem, thats the basis of the team and allows the players in front to play with confidence. Its not a coincidence that Arsenal have improved dramatically now they have proper CBs.

Because club usually prefers to sign someone younger? Becuase club usually doesn't sign players on loan(especially without buy option)? Because club usually doesn't go for players who are clearly on big downward trajectory like Lenglet was? And then you have Conte who prefers more experienced, coming from big clubs that you can say have winning mentality etc? His transfer window at Inter in 19/20 is perfect example of this.

Last season we were 3rd in goals scored with 60 goals in 28 matches and 18% of goals were set pieces. Now we are fourth with 46 goals after 26 games and 30% of our goals came from set pieces. So we are clearly much worse in open play?
There really isn't that much difference in our defence in those two seasons. And it's mostly coming just from Lloris regression at shot stopping.

Or it's not a coincidence Arsenal improved their attack, put trust into their youth, played even more front football and that allowed them to also improve defensively. Something that Conte isn't doing

 

[Scott Spur]

Sergeant meat Curtains is a troll, pay him no mind.

Play the ball, not the man

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Just because money is spent, doesnt mean a manager is backed. You keep pushing that narrative and its incorrect.

Maybe not hugely backed but Conte has been backed more in 2 windows than any of our other managers:

-Bentancur (top class CM)
-Kulusevski (top class RW)
-Perisic (on paper best LWB we could’ve got)
-Porro (one of best RWB’s we could’ve got)
-Bissouma (very good CM)
-Richarlison (£60mil Brazils n.o9)
-Lenglet (decent CB option)

Sure we really needed 1-2 top CB’s, but aside from that he has been backed in a reasonable way and was given full control to move on the likes of Ndombele, Lo Celso, Gil, Winks, Reguillion etc.

If we’d appointed a manager who played 4-2-3-1 and not a specialist rigid 3-4-3 we’d not have needed to buy as many players as we have done anyway.