HedgieSpur
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Agreed. If the players were a cereal, it would definitely be some kinda "flakes"
Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte
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Agreed. If the players were a cereal, it would definitely be some kinda "flakes"
spurs mental
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So he's to blame for them being gutless yesterday or losing a 2 goal lead, but he's not for praise when they come back from 2 goals down?
It can't be both.
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Juve massively underperformed the previous season but the squad was absolutely stacked with talent: Chiellini, Buffon, Bonucci, Pirlo, Vidal, Vucinic, Del Piero, Quagliarella, Pogba. Unreal quality.
And at Inter they spent 200m+ on Lukaku, Hakimi, Eriksen, etc. and by his second season Juve had fallen off a cliff under Pirlo having previously dominated the previous decade so the level of competition was weaker.
Like, he still had to get those teams over the line which is impressive, but both at Juve and the title-winning season at Inter he had the best players IMO. Or at least the joint-best squad.
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Stamford
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You can't separate the players and conte from each other. They're the same. Both gutless this year. Conte is also a part of those come backs, you can't pick and choose.
but stop trying to put it all on the manager because that is definitely bollocks
Stamford
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he still won though, I don't really get what point is being made here. Ferguson consistently has the best squad in the league for years and won with that squad. Are we now trying to undermine conte winning league titles? This club knows nothing about winning
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So nobody else could get the best out of the juve team until conte took over.
Trent Crimm
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You need to re-read my post I think. I blamed both. And of course it’s relevant. Quite frankly your talking tosh
Timberwolf
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I'm not saying it's not impressive - loads of manager would've found a way to fail in that position. My point is that managers have different skillsets and some managers are better at adapting to get the best out of more limited players, or adjusting systems to suit them.
Conte has one system and doesn't adjust it. If the players aren't upto it then his ability as a manager is limited as a result since he's completely unwilling to compromise or adapt. He's world class at getting quality players over the line across a league season using his specific system. But he seems unable to adjust to the limitations we have at Spurs.
We need a manager that can get the best out of our existing squad, or can foster and elevate a younger group over time, not one who needs a Man City level squad in order to win.
Spursfan1414
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It’s not. Our players aren’t gutless, it’s just a convenient excuse for Conte.
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I love Tottenham Hotspur, I love the history, I love the memories, I love the feeling of belonging, it's my club, my people, where I feel at home.
I dont like our current owners, I don't like our current manager, I don't even like our current team.
It feels like our club which means something different and yet equally special to all of us has been hijacked by people in it for the money and the money alone. Alongside that we have a manager who makes me feel like he thinks he is too good for us (like fuck he is) and a team of players that won't perform unless the manager is 100% to their satisfaction. In the meantime people like me have been priced out, others constantly give over thousands to be let down and taken for granted and we have maybe two generations now who don't know what it's like to even win an FA Cup.
So when he comes out yesterday and throws a tantrum like that whilst our chairman weighs it up because all he cares about is fourth I don't like it one bit.
Sure there are grains or chunks of truth but there are also trunks of truth in the fact that he has acted like he was too good to be here since day one and this season has been a disaster of which he plays a huge part in. They're all to blame with him being at the centre of it having taken the money knowing what the board are like.
Life is really hard and shit at the moment for me and I suspect many , and whilst I'm used to wanting to hide from football after a bad result I won't accept these so called win now managers turning us into a circus as they win sweet FA and the chairman racks up his property deals in the background.
Rant over sorry.
I dont like our current owners, I don't like our current manager, I don't even like our current team.
It feels like our club which means something different and yet equally special to all of us has been hijacked by people in it for the money and the money alone. Alongside that we have a manager who makes me feel like he thinks he is too good for us (like fuck he is) and a team of players that won't perform unless the manager is 100% to their satisfaction. In the meantime people like me have been priced out, others constantly give over thousands to be let down and taken for granted and we have maybe two generations now who don't know what it's like to even win an FA Cup.
So when he comes out yesterday and throws a tantrum like that whilst our chairman weighs it up because all he cares about is fourth I don't like it one bit.
Sure there are grains or chunks of truth but there are also trunks of truth in the fact that he has acted like he was too good to be here since day one and this season has been a disaster of which he plays a huge part in. They're all to blame with him being at the centre of it having taken the money knowing what the board are like.
Life is really hard and shit at the moment for me and I suspect many , and whilst I'm used to wanting to hide from football after a bad result I won't accept these so called win now managers turning us into a circus as they win sweet FA and the chairman racks up his property deals in the background.
Rant over sorry.
Spursfan1414
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Nah, you need to reread the original conversation you jumped into the middle of. Someone is talking tosh and it’s not me.
Either the players are gutless or they’re not, if they’ve shown guts while doing their job that still means they’re not gutless.
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He was providing perspective and explaining that whilst conte getting over the line to win is impressive as is any manager who can manage a team to win, the odds were in his favour with the quality of players he had at his disposal, whereas just like Jose, they’re both finding that without £50m quality in every position maybe they’re being found out a little bit.
Like Trix said, Conte, Jose are certain types of managers they come into very good squads with quality players who are used to winning and who are mentally strong, they challenge and prod and motivate those players to get them over the line and then they leave.
They are not a good fit for our club it’s as simple as that.
There is a reason why Jol, Redknapp and Poch all did such a good job for us because of their style of play and style of man management and building positivity and confidence with the players and the fans. We need another manager like those 3.
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Trent Crimm
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Won’t be Frosties. Cos they Tony’s Tigers. We have some pussies.
Joe Bjorn Hotspur
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Always the best ones unintentional: this club has broken my brain like Jamie O’Hara
For me this current team is as stale and tasteless as shredded wheat. Sorry to those who love shredded wheat Spursfan1414
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No they haven’t. Lack of guts has not been the issue this season. The issue is that we haven’t had a working tactical system all year and can only play decent football consistently when we can counter attack.
spurs mental
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I'm confused here, what's not?
Does he not deserve praise for being the coach and driving the players on to games where they came back?
Stamford
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Both are true. But if you think these players have guts I don't know what to say
Stamford
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I'm going to be honest I don't think there is a right fit for her. Not to actually win things. We won't push on until this ownership is gone and I'm with conte on that 100 percent
Spursfan1414
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What Conte thought of our “selfish” players who “don’t want to play under pressure” 39 days ago when they were winning games just fine without him.
Does he need to put a big neon sign above his head saying “this is all about my reputation” to make it more obvious?
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