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Marty

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Well this is the point - they can't register him because he's still asking for too much. There is no rule saying he can't earn less (that's just fiction, the law doesn't exist for his wages).

The whole point is that it's crocodile tears to say that there's "nothing he could do" and would do anything to stay. As much as he might somehow justify the money, it doesn't change the fact that, at the core, it is still about money. That's all the point is - if he was willing to earn Aguero money, he would still be there.
I trust that the new Barca board have exhausted every single option legal or otherwise before yesterday's presser.

Messi can't play for free. So many journalists and sources are saying that that I can't believe there's no truth to it.
 
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I trust that the new Barca board have exhausted every single option legal or otherwise before yesterday's presser.

Messi can't play for free. So many journalists and sources are saying that that I can't believe there's no truth to it.

As I said, it's all PR. Basic facts are that Barca are skint, and Messi wants a bucketload to still play for them.

A year ago he was wiling to sue them to leave for free, and now - with their situation worse than it was then - he's suddenly singing the opposite tune. It isn't consistent. The board will want to move on from Messi, and they've got the PR out there that works out best for all parties. As seen, it doesn't even take much evidence to get people buying into it.
 

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Messi ran his contract down like Sol Campbell. I see through the tears. If he cares he'd never have done that and made sure that Barca could at least have sold him to get them out of this hole.
 

Marty

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As I said, it's all PR. Basic facts are that Barca are skint, and Messi wants a bucketload to still play for them.

A year ago he was wiling to sue them to leave for free, and now - with their situation worse than it was then - he's suddenly singing the opposite tune. It isn't consistent. The board will want to move on from Messi, and they've got the PR out there that works out best for all parties. As seen, it doesn't even take much evidence to get people buying into it.
What are your sources that differ from pretty much the entire profession of football journalists then?
 

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FWIW, article by Dermot Corrigan


Barcelona never even suggested it to Messi or his family — and even if he had come up with the idea himself, him not taking a penny in wages next season would not have resolved the issue.

Lionel Messi’s tremendously emotional farewell press conference at the Nou Camp on Sunday morning made clear that he had been hugely surprised and saddened by how things have played out over the previous couple of days — that up until the very last moment, he still expected and had been assured that he would continue as a Barcelona player.

That was evident from how Messi struggled for words as he stepped up to the podium in the stadium’s 1899 auditorium (named for the year the club was founded), and looked out at so many present and past team-mates who were also fighting back tears and struggling to take on board what they were witnessing.

When he did speak, the emotion and power of his message were blatantly obvious, his bonds with the club and city where he made his career and his life still as strong as ever. If it had been up to him he would be continuing as a Barcelona player, for sure.

But it was also just as evident that neither Messi, his father and agent Jorge, nor their legal advisors, fully understood how the combination of La Liga’s financial controls and Barcelona’s awful finances had made continuing that career and life absolutely impossible.

Joan Laporta and his Barcelona board knew the bones of the situation, both before and after Laporta was re-elected for a second spell as club president in March. They were all well aware the club would have to make huge cuts to their wage bill, and bring in significant transfer revenues in this window, for there to be any chance of Messi staying on.

La Liga’s president Javier Tebas was also 100 per cent clear all through the summer that there could be no exceptions to the competition’s financial fair play regulations, even for a six-time Ballon d’Or winner. When Laporta kept publicly asking for flexibility, Tebas each time firmly replied that he would like Messi to stay, but it was up to Barcelona to find a way for that to happen within the existing regulations.

Somewhere along the way, there was a huge breakdown in communication and understanding.

The Messi camp was led to believe, or wanted to believe, that everything would turn out OK, that he could keep earning quite a lot of money — even if it was much less than before — while playing for the club he loves in the city he and his family love.

That was a complete misreading of the situation, as they have only realised in the last few days.

The starkness of Barcelona’s situation has long been public knowledge. Messi himself said in his last public interview, seven months ago, that “things at the moment are really, really bad”.

It was also clear that their €1.3 billion debts meant that the club’s salary bill would have to drop significantly from its 2019-20 peak of €671 million to not more than €200 million for 2021-22. In other words, from paying the most wages in world sport to being somewhere around the level of what Everton or Aston Villa spend on salaries.

Despite this, Barcelona actually began this summer by adding more players to their squad (Sergio Aguero, Memphis Depay, Eric Garcia, Emerson Royal). They would also have signed Georginio Wijnaldum, only for Paris Saint-Germain to gazump their contract offer at the last minute.

The Athletic reported in mid-July that neither Messi nor the four new players could be registered for the new season unless savings of at least €200 million were found. But nothing really happened.

Barcelona cut a few million here and there by moving on kids and squad players such as Junior Firpo and Carles Alena. The biggest earners on the wage bill — misjudged signings of the last few years including Philippe Coutinho, Antoine Griezmann and Ousmane Dembele, plus veterans including Gerard Pique and Sergio Busquets — all remained in place. Even Samuel Umtiti and Miralem Pjanic are still there, despite blatant attempts to force them out of the club in recent weeks.


And yet Laporta and much of the Catalan sports press continued to spread the word that it would all be fine, that a way would be found for Messi to continue at the club.

That attitude was taken into the negotiations with Messi’s father last month. Both sides say the negotiations were not difficult — the 34-year-old player quickly agreed to accept a 50 per cent pay cut and to play for Barcelona for two more seasons but to receive the money over five years. That was a piece of accounting sleight of hand that, it was claimed, would be more acceptable to Tebas and La Liga’s accountants.

That was the agreement Messi thought was in place when he went to Ibiza for the final leg of his pre-season break in late July.

There has been a lot of talk these last few days about a now-infamous photo taken with a group of Paris Saint-Germain players, including his Argentina team-mates Angel Di Maria and Leandro Paredes and ex-Barcelona colleague Neymar, during those holidays. But Messi made clear during Sunday morning’s press conference that, when that photo was taken, he was still 100 per cent sure he was going to continue as a Barcelona player. Di Maria and Neymar did joke with him that night, pleading with him to join them in Paris, but in Messi’s head that was not an option — he and his family were still definitely staying in the Catalan capital.

While Messi was in Ibiza, Laporta was his usual confident and unruffled self and continued to spread the idea that it was all on course to be sorted. There were just a few final details to be ironed out with La Liga, the Barca president insisted. He even suggested six days ago that Messi would be at the Nou Camp tonight (Sunday) for the Gamper Trophy season curtain-raiser against Juventus tonight.

Right up until Thursday — when Messi popped back from Ibiza to sign the contract that had already been agreed, and his father made the longer flight from Argentina to also be present at the momentous occasion — the player’s camp was convinced these La Liga regulations were not going to be a problem.

This past Wednesday also brought the revelation La Liga was aiming to sell 10 per cent of its commercial operations to investors CVC Capital Partners for €2.7 billion. It was immediately claimed by Catalan media very close to the club hierarchy that Barcelona’s share of this money meant their league-imposed salary limit would rise sufficiently to register Messi (and the other four new players).

During a press conference on Friday, Laporta suggested La Liga had tried to pressure Barcelona into accepting the CVC deal by offering them a way to register Messi in some kind of quid pro quo agreement. La Liga sources have denied to The Athletic that such a bargain was ever proposed, and explained the terms of the deal mean there was zero possibility the CVC money could have been used to meet the 2020-21 salary cap.

Laporta also stressed how the “awful management” of the club under the previous board had led to this situation. He said that an audit had just recently shown Barcelona’s finances were “much worse” than his new regime had feared and that the losses for the 2020-21 season would not be around €200 million as expected but actually more than double that figure — €487 million.

The indication was that this was another reason why Messi could not stay. Not wrong but not the full story either.

A lawyer by training and a politician by personality, Laporta also kept saying during Friday’s press conference that he had maintained hope re-signing Messi was going to be possible, right up until this Wednesday. That was the message being transmitted to the player’s camp too — right up until a meeting with his father the next day. Messi did not go to that meeting himself. His only communication with Laporta this week has been via text message.

There had been a complete about-turn.

The message now being communicated to the Messis was that there was zero possibility of Lionel staying at the club. It was all over, he would not be continuing as a Barcelona player, and they were doing him the favour of letting him know now so he had time to find himself a new club in time for the coming season.

There is no way that Laporta — or any Barcelona director or executive — could have done such a complete turnaround in their thinking in just a few days.

While Messi and his father were convinced he was going to stay, the club hierarchy was well aware of how difficult achieving that outcome was going to be.

Laporta said clearly on Friday that even with Messi’s salary cut, Barcelona’s wages would be at 110 per cent of the club revenues. Best practice — and La Liga rules — demand a ratio of 70 per cent. Even with Messi off the books, wages remain at 95 per cent of revenue and Laporta admitted there was “more work to be done” on persuading some players to accept pay cuts and selling others before Depay, Aguero, Garcia and Emerson can be registered.

Messi confirmed that himself on Sunday morning — “I had lowered my salary by 50 per cent, that was agreed, and they (the club) did not ask me for anything else after that.” This quashed the idea floating around some quarters that the 34-year-old could have accepted an even lower salary, or just agreed to play next season for free, to help the club he loves out.

The debate over whether someone at the very top of his profession, who is still good enough to score 30 La Liga goals in 35 appearances last season then lead his country to win the Copa America a month ago, should make such a gesture can be put aside.

Barcelona never even suggested it to Messi or his family — and even if he had come up with the idea himself, him not taking a penny in wages next season would not have resolved the issue.

Messi was very clear through Sunday’s opening statement and subsequent Q&A with journalists that he did not want to leave behind any bad feelings towards Barcelona or their fans. He was still in love with the club, saw himself returning “in whatever role” at some point in the future, and that the city he moved to as a 13-year-old would always be “home” for him, wife Antonella and their three “Catalan-Argentinian” children. It hurt him hugely to be saying goodbye this way, to not even have a send-off in a full Nou Camp, and he wanted the fans to know that.

“I feel very sad as I have to leave this club, a club I love, in a moment I did not expect,” Messi said. “I never lie, I have always been up front, told the truth. Last year I wanted to leave. This year, no — that’s why I’m sad.”

He also made clear he did not have any problems with La Liga or Tebas.

One journalist offered up the chance to push blame their way for him having to leave, but Messi did not go down that route.

“I only know it is not possible for La Liga, for the club’s debts, that the club cannot go further into debt,” he replied. “I have nothing (bad) to say about Tebas. Only met him a few times, and it was all friendly. I have no problem with Tebas.”

As the press conference continued Messi continually returned to the idea that he had always been honest with everyone.

“Everyone was clear that I would continue, it was all sorted, we have always been sincere with the fans — at least, I have,” he said. “On my side, I have never tricked the fans.”

This left open the idea that someone had been less than completely honest during all that had happened.

Messi clearly did not want to say anything bad about Barcelona or anybody at the club, while also still leaving the impression that he had been shocked at how the past week had unfolded and was now painfully unhappy to be leaving when he had been completely sure all would be OK.

There was never any direct criticism of Laporta or anybody else but there were a few moments, when he was pressed on whether everyone involved had been equally transparent and honest, that he held his tongue before answering.

“We did everything possible, and it couldn’t be,” he said, after being asked whether there was anything more he could have done to stay at Barcelona. “When you don’t speak often, other things come out, everyone can give their opinion. But that is not always true. I can only speak for myself. I’ve always been honest, transparent, never tricked anyone. That was always most important for me, for the fans to know that.”

The impression was left that it was the Barcelona side who had not been completely forthcoming with the truth.

Laporta and his fellow directors and executives were surely well aware of how difficult it was going to be to keep Messi at the club, no matter what salary he was (or wasn’t) being paid, but they continued in public and private to push the idea that all the problems could be resolved and he would be able to stay.

Messi’s message on Sunday was that he had fully believed what he was being told, right up until the moment he was told the exact opposite.

This is how he is leaving Barcelona — against his will, and having suffered what was clearly an emotional breaking of the connection, and quite possibly traumatic shock.

It now looks very like both he and his father were completely unrealistic, or even naive, in accepting what they were told about how everything would work out fine.

Now life must go on — for both parties.

Barcelona continue their pre-season preparations in Sunday evening’s Gamper Trophy, with Messi’s No 10 jersey left vacant.

Depay has the No 9 shirt, but Aguero — a countryman and close friend of Messi, who chose Barcelona as his free-agent post-Manchester City destination to play alongside him — was notably ruled out with what the club say is a calf injury.

None of the summer signings is likely to be registered in time for next Sunday’s La Liga opener at home to Real Sociedad. As Laporta made clear, even without Messi’s wages, their financial situation remains hugely challenging. Some players still face huge pay cuts and others are clearly up for sale.

How Ronald Koeman’s team are going to look as they take on the new season is unclear.

Messi himself would not confirm on Sunday morning that he was set to join PSG, but The Athletic’s reporting has that as almost completely certain. The Ligue 1 club and their Qatari owners are proud of what they see as a “bargain” coup they have pulled off in getting Messi to the Parc des Princes.

Given he has not done any pre-season training and the clear emotional strains of the last few days, when Messi might be physically and mentally ready to actually start the next stage of his career will also be fascinating.

The impression from the last few days in Catalonia is that Barcelona have already been making their preparations to move on from Messi.

But Messi has yet to even begin to really move on from the club, and city, he loves.
 

Shadydan

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People just love to argue the toss I swear, this place gives me a headache sometimes ?
 
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What are your sources that differ from pretty much the entire profession of football journalists then?

Sources for what?

It even says it in the article posted above, and from Messi himself, that the club didn't seem to try much further.

- Messi wanted to leave for free last season, and threatened to sue the club to do so. There was no 'sad' PDA then.
- Barca are happy for him to leave, as they're keen to clear the wage bill of the Bartomeu regime (and, no doubt, use it to scapegoat him further).

I'm not sure which part you're arguing about or denying here.
 

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Fully can’t be arsed with Messi crying and saying he wanted to stay at Barcelona.

You probably would be staying at Barcelona if you hadn’t been on a wage of €1M a week for the last few years, pal.

Hard to believe he hasn’t figured out how or why they’re skint yet.
 

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As I said, it's all PR. Basic facts are that Barca are skint, and Messi wants a bucketload to still play for them.

A year ago he was wiling to sue them to leave for free, and now - with their situation worse than it was then - he's suddenly singing the opposite tune. It isn't consistent. The board will want to move on from Messi, and they've got the PR out there that works out best for all parties. As seen, it doesn't even take much evidence to get people buying into it.

A year ago Messi wanted Bartemeu out and by threatening to leave, achieved his aim. He, Messi, never wanted to leave Barca.

He got Laporta in, the second part of his aim, even further reinforcing his desire to stay.

Messi has been entirely consistent.

The board under Bartemeu, and his remaining acolytes since his departure, fucked Barcelona’s finances so badly that they now can’t register any new players.

This prevents Messi, whose contract was allowed to expire under Laporte (who was, apparently, unaware of the severity of their poverty, compounding an already dreadful situation) from signing a new deal even if he receives no salary at all, because he will be deemed to be a new player, and fifa and la liga will nit sanction his registration.

This is not Messi’s doing, it is the fault of an incompetent and probably deliberately ignorant and quite possibly self-serving board.
 

Marty

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Fully can’t be arsed with Messi crying and saying he wanted to stay at Barcelona.

You probably would be staying at Barcelona if you hadn’t been on a wage of €1M a week for the last few years, pal.

Hard to believe he hasn’t figured out how or why they’re skint yet.
Who's fault is it that Messi's on a million a week? Messi for asking for it or Barcelona's board and accountants for not slamming the breaks on and saying they can't do this?

Barcelona were fucked even without the pandemic thanks to the sheer incompetence of the Bartomeu regime. It's impossible to know how privy to information Messi was about that but the blame has to be at least 80/20 in the board's favour.
 

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A year ago Messi wanted Bartemeu out and by threatening to leave, achieved his aim. He, Messi, never wanted to leave Barca.

He got Laporta in, the second part of his aim, even further reinforcing his desire to stay.

Messi has been entirely consistent.

The board under Bartemeu, and his remaining acolytes since his departure, fucked Barcelona’s finances so badly that they now can’t register any new players.

This prevents Messi, whose contract was allowed to expire under Laporte (who was, apparently, unaware of the severity of their poverty, compounding an already dreadful situation) from signing a new deal even if he receives no salary at all, because he will be deemed to be a new player, and fifa and la liga will nit sanction his registration.

This is not Messi’s doing, it is the fault of an incompetent and probably deliberately ignorant and quite possibly self-serving board.
You get that if he signed a contract they could sell him for a profit, right?
 

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You get that if he signed a contract they could sell him for a profit, right?

he’s not allowed to sign a contract, or at any rate if he does it has no binding effect since Barca are not allowed to register it, and therefore he has and can have no sell-on value.



it’s why Barca are complaining that the ffp rules make their financial condition even worse than it needs to be. Yet the rules haven’t changed and it was their job to know them. It’s indicative of their irresponsibly over the last few years that they ignored this possibility and assumed there’d always be a way out.

It’s clear that a lot of the media commentators idon’t understand the situation, but you’d rxpect the board of Barcelona would, wouldn’t you?
 
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If by some miracle Messi can't sign for PSG due to FFP, can anyone see him signing for a club with a 3rd of the Argentine first team (If Martinez does sign), just to be truly ready for the world cup.
Just me then.
 

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Fully can’t be arsed with Messi crying and saying he wanted to stay at Barcelona.

You probably would be staying at Barcelona if you hadn’t been on a wage of €1M a week for the last few years, pal.

Hard to believe he hasn’t figured out how or why they’re skint yet.

People like yourself have a massive gross misunderstanding of the situation and it shows, some real ignorant comments in here. ?‍♀️

Messi made 30% of their total profit in the last 3 years merely by himself he brought in something like €600m Euros for the club in that period so he's well worth the contract he was given and that £1m per week wage was just a drop in the ocean of what Barca were said to afford.

Besides all that it's not down to Messi to handle Barcelona's finances, if the club are handing out such contracts to players you'd like to think that the club would be financially secure and able to run self sustainably and identify such risks in the market, they didn't because the previous board were negligent and incompetent beyond belief, that has nothing to do with Messi.
 
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Messi ran his contract down like Sol Campbell. I see through the tears. If he cares he'd never have done that and made sure that Barca could at least have sold him to get them out of this hole.

lol. With his wages on top of a transfer fee how many clubs do you think could afford him
 

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Fully can’t be arsed with Messi crying and saying he wanted to stay at Barcelona.

You probably would be staying at Barcelona if you hadn’t been on a wage of €1M a week for the last few years, pal.

Hard to believe he hasn’t figured out how or why they’re skint yet.

How much do you think Messi brings through the door in shirt sales and general merchandise?

I don’t know the answer but think you can’t just look at his wage as a pure outgoing when as the most iconic player on the planet there is clearly a massive offset

Barcas mess would he even greater without Messi in my view

It’s the millions they have splashed on sub standard players and wages since their golden team went on the decline that has been the issue
 

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How much do you think Messi brings through the door in shirt sales and general merchandise?

I don’t know the answer but think you can’t just look at his wage as a pure outgoing when as the most iconic player on the planet there is clearly a massive offset

Barcas mess would he even greater without Messi in my view

It’s the millions they have splashed on sub standard players and wages since their golden team went on the decline that has been the issue

It's been mentioned above that Messi made a huge amount of income for Barcelona and so he's probably not been the issue.

Issue has been the ridiculous signings they've made of Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann who have all cost 110m+ and Griezmann's salary alone is meant to be about 800k euros a week.
 

thekneaf

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lol. With his wages on top of a transfer fee how many clubs do you think could afford him
PSG. And yeah he's making more money out of PSG because he ran his contract down and the money they'd have had to throw at Barca to buy him he's taking as salary.

Didn't realise we had so many Messi stans here.

Let's be clear. Messi is not to blame for Barca messing up their finances. That's on their executives.

Messi is to blame for running his contract down, leaving Barca no ability to profit, even modestly from his sale. That's a choice he made. I called him Sol Campbell. That's obviously hyperbolic and yeah, uncalled for. But he's certainly been ruthless in looking after himself in this scenario.
 

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PSG. And yeah he's making more money out of PSG because he ran his contract down and the money they'd have had to throw at Barca to buy him he's taking as salary.

Didn't realise we had so many Messi stans here.

Let's be clear. Messi is not to blame for Barca messing up their finances. That's on their executives.

Messi is to blame for running his contract down, leaving Barca no ability to profit, even modestly from his sale. That's a choice he made. I called him Sol Campbell. That's obviously hyperbolic and yeah, uncalled for. But he's certainly been ruthless in looking after himself in this scenario.

You are generally so clueless it's actually painful reading your posts.

If Barca sold Messi it would leave them up shits creek because of the money he generates for them. Even if they received a transfer fee of say £100m it still wouldn't cover the yearly incomings that Messi makes for the club.

Him leaving now puts them in a worse position, they are truly fucked for the forsesbale future.

This is really not difficult to understand. You don't have to be a 'Messi stan' to look this up, it's all over the Internet.
 

Marty

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PSG. And yeah he's making more money out of PSG because he ran his contract down and the money they'd have had to throw at Barca to buy him he's taking as salary.

Didn't realise we had so many Messi stans here.

Let's be clear. Messi is not to blame for Barca messing up their finances. That's on their executives.

Messi is to blame for running his contract down, leaving Barca no ability to profit, even modestly from his sale. That's a choice he made. I called him Sol Campbell. That's obviously hyperbolic and yeah, uncalled for. But he's certainly been ruthless in looking after himself in this scenario.

I felt this guy, while obviously a Barcelona fan and probably a Messi-stan as you call it, makes several good points and explains things pretty well.

In simple terms, Barcelona let his contract run down. As of July 1st, despite the club having an agreement with the player, Lionel Messi was a free agent. This meant that he had to connect with the club contractually. If Barcelona were to sign him again, they would have to treat his arrival as a fresh transfer as a free agent.

It would've been difficult had he signed the dotted line before July 1st. It clearly became impossible after that.

As to why he only signed one year extensions in the last few years, that can easily be explained by his conflict with the previous board.
 
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