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There's an interesting debate on Futbol Americas about Gimenez and where he should go. Consensus was that a top PL side would be too big a move. However, there was a feeling he could attain that level in due course.
They pointed out the relative failures of Antony and to a lesser degree Gakpo as players that looked good in the Eredivisie but haven't gone on to set the world alight.
He definitely has some skills sets that we could use and possibly this season has been hard for him because he was hoping for a move last summer. Potentially that could be good as his value is not as high.
 
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If we can get Gimenez for a decent fee, say under £40m, while still keeping Richarlison, I think it would be a clever move.

As others have said, he's still developing, and fits the system so would make sense.
 
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JUSTINSIGNAL said:
If we can get Gimenez for a decent fee, say under £40m, while still keeping Richarlison, I think it would be a clever move.

As others have said, he's still developing, and fits the system so would make sense.
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Agree, we'd have to keep Richarlison too
 
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Worth baring in mind re the photos of him at the game, Giminez was there with another Feyenoord player. So they may have just come to watch the NLD as it’s got a reputation as one of the best games of the season.
 
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Tucker said:
Worth baring in mind re the photos of him at the game, Giminez was there with another Feyenoord player. So they may have just come to watch the NLD as it’s got a reputation as one of the best games of the season.
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You thinking he was just repaying the favour because we've been watching him for 18 months?
 
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You thinking he was just repaying the favour because we've been watching him for 18 months.
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Dunno, but if it was us schmoozing him, would we have invited along other Feyenoord players?

Could be something, could be nothing. We’re obviously interested though.
 
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Dunno, but if it was us schmoozing him, would we have invited along other Feyenoord players?

Could be something, could be nothing. We’re obviously interested though.
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They also visited the West Ham vs Liverpool game on the Saturday too apparently.
 
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Tucker said:
Dunno, but if it was us schmoozing him, would we have invited along other Feyenoord players?

Could be something, could be nothing. We’re obviously interested though.
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Possibly there is interest in both maybe?
 
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Was discussing Spurs with a very experienced and knowledgeable coach a couple of weeks ago and he brought up Soldado. He said although he was a massive flop for us, in our current set up today of flashing balls across the box and cutting back to the penalty spot he would probably score 25 plus a season and I think he's probably not far wrong.

While I'm not fully convinced by Gimmenez(as I want a pure fox in the box), if the powers that be see the skillset in him they are looking for I certainly wouldn't write him off. He's 20+ goals in two consecutive seasons playing similarly to how we are high up the pitch against condensed defences at just turned 23.

As for the part in bold, I always thought similar of Kanoute until we bought him, then you realise there was an art to what he was doing to suck defenders onto him before escaping with the ball. If you can do it over and over again it's not luck.


Just add Kanoute never gets a mention due to some of the great goals corers we've had but he was one of the most underrated forwards the Prem has ever seen, absolute genius.
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I'd say Gimenez is pretty much your atypical modern day fox in the box tbh. His best skill is drifting into the blind spot of defender and finding pockets of space in the penalty area, it’s where he comes alive. Most of his goals are ether first time or one touch and shoot from inside the area.

Probably the best fox in the box in Europe at the moment is Lautaro but he has the benefit of a strike partner allowing him more space and less focus and even he does a lot of work outside of the area. If anything he has developed his game significantly to have an all rounded skill set and is even capable of striking well from distance. Something that he wasn’t the best at when he first moved to Inter, Still he is an expert at disappearing in the box and popping up exactly where he needs to be. The fact he has so many headed goals despite his size perfectly highlights this.

If your going to play as lone CF in possession heavy team that spend a lot of time with the ball in opposition area you have to be a little more dynamic in your approach which Santi is but i'd still 100% categories him as a fox in the box rather then a target man, dummy runner or a classical centre forward. His movement in the area is by far his strongest attribute even if its to open up space for his team mates.

Perfect example of this is Feyenoords recent 6-0 trashing for Ajax, Santi only got one rather lucky assist and no goals despite the score line but look at his movement in the box (see below). He is constantly dropping off his marker, finding pockets and making blindsided runs. Pretty much exactly what you expect from a fox in the box.

My main concern with Santi is his finishing, I've never been convinced by it. He can be a very inconstant striker of the ball and often technically lacking. He also at times lacks composure and will miss chances he really shouldn’t. Aside from that his touch can be heavy and although he is a decent dribbler in a tough league he could struggle in this area. Obviously he’s only just 23 and has a lot of space to improve I just worry that the step up in speed and the significantly higher level of defending (I can’t stress enough how poor it is in the Eredivisie) will cause him a lot of problems.

Obviously we have been scouting him a very long time so if we think he is the one then we have to put faith in our belief in his ability but I’m not entirely convinced.

 
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Ghost Hardware said:
I'd say Gimenez is pretty much your atypical modern day fox in the box tbh. His best skill is drifting into the blind spot of defender and finding pockets of space in the penalty area, it’s where he comes alive. Most of his goals are ether first time or one touch and shoot from inside the area.

Probably the best fox in the box in Europe at the moment is Lautaro but he has the benefit of a strike partner allowing him more space and less focus and even he does a lot of work outside of the area. If anything he has developed his game significantly to have an all rounded skill set and is even capable of striking well from distance. Something that he wasn’t the best at when he first moved to Inter, Still he is an expert at disappearing in the box and popping up exactly where he needs to be. The fact he has so many headed goals despite his size perfectly highlights this.

If your going to play as lone CF in possession heavy team that spend a lot of time with the ball in opposition area you have to be a little more dynamic in your approach which Santi is but i'd still 100% categories him as a fox in the box rather then a target man, dummy runner or a classical centre forward. His movement in the area is by far his strongest attribute even if its to open up space for his team mates.

Perfect example of this is Feyenoords recent 6-0 trashing for Ajax, Santi only got one rather lucky assist and no goals despite the score line but look at his movement in the box (see below). He is constantly dropping off his marker, finding pockets and making blindsided runs. Pretty much exactly what you expect from a fox in the box.

My main concern with Santi is his finishing, I've never been convinced by it. He can be a very inconstant striker of the ball and often technically lacking. He also at times lacks composure and will miss chances he really shouldn’t. Aside from that his touch can be heavy and although he is a decent dribbler in a tough league he could struggle in this area. Obviously he’s only just 23 and has a lot of space to improve I just worry that the step up in speed and the significantly higher level of defending (I can’t stress enough how poor it is in the Eredivisie) will cause him a lot of problems.

Obviously we have been scouting him a very long time so if we think he is the one then we have to put faith in our belief in his ability but I’m not entirely convinced.

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I couldn’t agree more
 
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Dunno, but if it was us schmoozing him, would we have invited along other Feyenoord players?

Could be something, could be nothing. We’re obviously interested though.
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Do you know who the other one is? With Slot going to Liverpool I've been hearing a lot of talk about Mats Wieffer who is apparently a pretty complete #6. Although ofc it's totally different to be a "complete" player in the Eredivisie as opposed to the PL.

Edit: I see someone answered already, but curious if anyone has watched this Wieffer fella play anyway.
 
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