The Summer 2024 scouting thread

Ghost Hardware · Apr 30, 2024

razzmaster said:
I think Varela would be perfect but worry that Portuguese clubs tend to ask for top dollar when it comes to selling their best players and we won't pay the money needed.

I guess it depends how much we want to put into the position. I know he has a 60 mil release clause come summer apparently so maybe there is a chance we can make some sort of deal. Porto are in turmoil and recently elected AVB, yes our AVB, as their new president which was somewhat of a coup given the previous incumbent Jorge Nuno Pinto da Costa was the longest serving president in football. It remains to be seen what their stance is on transfers come summer but its looking like there will be major changes after an altogether poor season for them. They are only one point above 4th placed Braga. Ether way I certainly think we should test the waters to see if there is a deal there to be done.

THOWIG · Apr 30, 2024

Striker wise Mathys Tel(I know they are unlikely to sell) and Marcos Leonardo would be my top picks along with Ferguson.

GutBucket · Apr 30, 2024

Trix said:
Why?

I actually think he's quite a clever player. Not overly quick but decent dribbling skills and an eye for a threaded pass. Being quick isn't the be all and end all for the way we play though he's strong with decent movement in the box, so whilst not my first pick he's not one I'd write off either.

I'm not sure about him for our system, but he's definitely got something about him.

I saw only youtube videos but I agree, he looks decent. Often starts the dribble from around centre of the pitch and ends up in goalscoring opporunity. Also seems to have Moura-esque leap, very good explosiveness in that regard even if he isn't the quickest. But again, youtube and actually watching someone play are different things obviously. Not sure if he we should sign him but it makes sense to scout him.

Trix · Apr 30, 2024

GutBucket said:
I saw only youtube videos but I agree, he looks decent. Often starts the dribble from around centre of the pitch and ends up in goalscoring opporunity. Also seems to have Moura-esque leap, very good explosiveness in that regard even if he isn't the quickest. But again, youtube and actually watching someone play are different things obviously. Not sure if he we should sign him but it makes sense to scout him.

If he's been invited to the stadium on match day I'd say it's further along than just scouting him.

Ghost Hardware · Apr 30, 2024

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
That reminds me, @Ghost Hardware do you know much about Emiliano Martinez of Midtjylland?

24 year old Uruguayan DM. Saw some footage and he looked pretty good?

Tbh i have watched Midtjylland twice this season and that was mainly for Osorio due to the hype. Neither game was particularly engrossing so I can't really remember much of anything about him or the matches aside form not being particularly blown away by Osorio.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Apr 30, 2024

Trix said:
Why?

I actually think he's quite a clever player. Not overly quick but decent dribbling skills and an eye for a threaded pass. Being quick isn't the be all and end all for the way we play though he's strong with decent movement in the box, so whilst not my first pick he's not one I'd write off either.

I'm not sure about him for our system, but he's definitely got something about him.

No standout attributes for me.

Average passer, pretty erratic touch particularly under pressure, not great agility and quite lumbering, lack of mobility

Not amazing in the air and finishing isn’t actually that good. Misses loads of chances and a lot of his goals would be saved by keepers in the PL.

He will struggle with the speed of the PL and doesn’t have enough quality to handle it imo. As I said I just think he has flop written all over him.

Richarlison is better than him and even he isn’t good enough. The only thing Gimenez has over him is age and possibly availability.

Led Revolver · Apr 30, 2024

Trix said:
If he's been invited to the stadium on match day I'd say it's further along than just scouting him.

Reminds me of when Vertonghen was spotted in a box with a couple of games left of that season, before he signed in the summer.

rossdapep · Apr 30, 2024

Trix said:
Why?

I actually think he's quite a clever player. Not overly quick but decent dribbling skills and an eye for a threaded pass. Being quick isn't the be all and end all for the way we play though he's strong with decent movement in the box, so whilst not my first pick he's not one I'd write off either.

I'm not sure about him for our system, but he's definitely got something about him.

I actually think he is perfect for our system as Ange's and Slot's are not too dissimilar but I absolutely agree with everything else you said.

Far too often people look for a polished player but sometimes you have to look beyond that. And it's those qualities you mentioned that I think we lack.

Guntz · Apr 30, 2024

How many goals would Richarlison score in the Eredivisie?

I can't see Gimenez being an upgrade at all.

Ghost Hardware · Apr 30, 2024

Led Revolver said:
Reminds me of when Vertonghen was spotted in a box with a couple of games left of that season, before he signed in the summer.

Considering we have been scouting him for well over a year and we have been linked several times, if he’s now coming to watch the games it’s a fairly good bet it will happen.

King of the Lane · Apr 30, 2024

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
No standout attributes for me.

Average passer, pretty erratic touch particularly under pressure, not great agility and quite lumbering, lack of mobility

Not amazing in the air and finishing isn’t actually that good. Misses loads of chances and a lot of his goals would be saved by keepers in the PL.

He will struggle with the speed of the PL and doesn’t have enough quality to handle it imo. As I said I just think he has flop written all over him.

Richarlison is better than him and even he isn’t good enough. The only thing Gimenez has over him is age and possibly availability.

100% agree. He has also been in dreadful form throughout 2024 and barely scored. He lacks so much to his game that I think it would be a really bad move. I think we all want someone to come in and hit the ground running and I dont see him doing that. There are so many better strikers available at the moment and it really concerns me if SG is our main target.

fecka · Apr 30, 2024

Trix said:
Why?

I actually think he's quite a clever player. Not overly quick but decent dribbling skills and an eye for a threaded pass. Being quick isn't the be all and end all for the way we play though he's strong with decent movement in the box, so whilst not my first pick he's not one I'd write off either.

I'm not sure about him for our system, but he's definitely got something about him.

He just reminds me so much of Janssen.
He may score a lot in the Eredivisie, but it feels like it's always by a fine margin and that he's often struggling a bit. Like he just edges the defenders.
He's young and may improve, but feels like a massive gamble. My worry is that we'd look to sell him on in a year or two for 15-20m at best.

arunspurs · Apr 30, 2024

Guntz said:
How many goals would Richarlison score in the Eredivisie?

I can't see Gimenez being an upgrade at all.

Richarlison in his career always been streakish. Run of form games, then a long lull. I dont think he scores plenty in Feynooord side with Jahanbaksh & Uaeda alongside and some bang avg players

Jiminez has scored well in Europa & in CL in small number of appearanes and he is a natural goal scorer. I dont see Richy being a natural goal scorer.

Trix · Apr 30, 2024

fecka said:
He just reminds me so much of Janssen.
He may score a lot in the Eredivisie, but it feels like it's always by a fine margin and that he's often struggling a bit. Like he just edges the defenders.
He's young and may improve, but feels like a massive gamble. My worry is that we'd look to sell him on in a year or two for 15-20m at best.

Was discussing Spurs with a very experienced and knowledgeable coach a couple of weeks ago and he brought up Soldado. He said although he was a massive flop for us, in our current set up today of flashing balls across the box and cutting back to the penalty spot he would probably score 25 plus a season and I think he's probably not far wrong.

While I'm not fully convinced by Gimmenez(as I want a pure fox in the box), if the powers that be see the skillset in him they are looking for I certainly wouldn't write him off. He's 20+ goals in two consecutive seasons playing similarly to how we are high up the pitch against condensed defences at just turned 23.

As for the part in bold, I always thought similar of Kanoute until we bought him, then you realise there was an art to what he was doing to suck defenders onto him before just escaping with the ball. If you can do it over and over again it's not luck.

Just add Kanoute never gets a mention due to some of the great goals scorers we've had but he was one of the most underrated forwards the Prem has ever seen, absolute genius.

superted4 · Apr 30, 2024

Othert than a few highlights on youtube i've not watched muc h of Gimenez, so taking on board what a lot of people are echoing, I wonder what data is driving this pursuit?

Edit: looks like @Trix has answered my question just above

King of the Lane · Apr 30, 2024

Apparently we had scouts at the Porto vs Sporting game recently. Lets hope its to look at Alan Varela who reminds me a bit of Romero but as a DM.

felmani26 · Apr 30, 2024

Probably worthwhile having a Gimenez thread to steer it away from this one.

Ginola+Tonic · Apr 30, 2024

Trix said:
Was discussing Spurs with a very experienced and knowledgeable coach a couple of weeks ago and he brought up Soldado. He said although he was a massive flop for us, in our current set up today of flashing balls across the box and cutting back to the penalty spot he would probably score 25 plus a season and I think he's probably not far wrong.

While I'm not fully convinced by Gimmenez(as I want a pure fox in the box), if the powers that be see the skillset in him they are looking for I certainly wouldn't write him off. He's 20+ goals in two consecutive seasons playing similarly to how we are high up the pitch against condensed defences at just turned 23.

As for the part in bold, I always thought similar of Kanoute until we bought him, then you realise there was an art to what he was doing to suck defenders onto him before escaping with the ball. If you can do it over and over again it's not luck.

Just add Kanoute never gets a mention due to some of the great goals corers we've had but he was one of the most underrated forwards the Prem has ever seen, absolute genius.

Completely agree regarding Kanoute, he was brilliant at Sevilla after he left us and I remember him scoring against us in the Europa league.
Brilliant player.

THOWIG · Apr 30, 2024

Trix said:
Was discussing Spurs with a very experienced and knowledgeable coach a couple of weeks ago and he brought up Soldado. He said although he was a massive flop for us, in our current set up today of flashing balls across the box and cutting back to the penalty spot he would probably score 25 plus a season and I think he's probably not far wrong.

While I'm not fully convinced by Gimmenez(as I want a pure fox in the box), if the powers that be see the skillset in him they are looking for I certainly wouldn't write him off. He's 20+ goals in two consecutive seasons playing similarly to how we are high up the pitch against condensed defences at just turned 23.

As for the part in bold, I always thought similar of Kanoute until we bought him, then you realise there was an art to what he was doing to suck defenders onto him before escaping with the ball. If you can do it over and over again it's not luck.

Just add Kanoute never gets a mention due to some of the great goals corers we've had but he was one of the most underrated forwards the Prem has ever seen, absolute genius.

100 percent. He was incredible.

PhezTHFC · Apr 30, 2024

King of the Lane said:
Apparently we had scouts at the Porto vs Sporting game recently. Lets hope its to look at Alan Varela who reminds me a bit of Romero but as a DM.

Nah the hope for me would be Gyokeres

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