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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

dvdhopeful

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It’s do or die with Ange. Love it or hate it, he offers up absolutely zero tactical flexibility or ingenuity. His idea of in game management is making like for like subs and hoping his substitute has more of an impact than the player he started.

I realise that sounds pretty harsh on the man and by no means am I calling for his head, but his naivety needs to stop soon.
He has already said he won't change, we will always ship chances and at this level, that will translate to goals conceded.
 

PaulM

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To be fair to Ange, I think he's too cavalier, but not one of his players performed today. You can blame the system and tactics to an extent but when not one player puts in a shift, no tactics or system can win you the game.
 

funkycoldmedina

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I've been living in S. Korea for almost 6 months now, and if only people knew how passionate people here are about Spurs. Best supported club by a considerable margin.
I wonder if Spurs could affect the mood of a whole nation? Kim Jong Un keeping an eye out for the Spurs score each week, worried that the Fulham thrashing could lead to an invasion.
 
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Montalbano

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Ange's system badly needs 1v1 wingers on both flanks, especially in situations like today. Fulham did a great job of neutralizing the half spaces and not letting us play down the middle. We looked noticeably better in the period when Werner came on and Brennan moved to the right. Priority target has to be a first choice LW this summer..
 

Jay.

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By no means ready to throw the towel in Poste yet but I’m starting to get some very minor Martin Jol vibes. 😬
 

TOLBINY

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Fuck me, are you ever going to let the Conte thing go :LOL:

it's so boring
You clearly don't get it - so I will spell it our for you. We had a manager proven at the very top level who asked for time and patience to change the mentality and came out in front of the worlds media and told some homes truths about the club and the players. The fans turned on him. So we replaced him with a bloke who is not proven at the top level, and he talks about building and change and the fact it will take time.

So if you are going to give that time to somebody then common sense says you give it to the bloke who knows what it takes to win the Prem, not the one who doesn't.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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You clearly don't get it - so I will spell it our for you. We had a manager proven at the very top level who asked for time and patience to change the mentality and came out in front of the worlds media and told some homes truths about the club and the players. The fans turned on him. So we replaced him with a bloke who is not proven at the top level, and he talks about building and change and the fact it will take time.

So if you are going to give that time to somebody then common sense says you give it to the bloke who knows what it takes to win the Prem, not the one who doesn't.
Conte only knows one thing and that’s how to win when the conditions suit him. E.g. when he’s given huge sums of money to spend.
 

Danny1

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Jesus Christ I hate some of our fans. Ange has pretty much got the best record of any manager in their first season in the premier league. All in the season losing one of our greatest ever players, on the back of 3/4 years of total garbage football.

How about we give the guy time. He has literally only just begun and has already talked about what we need to improve in the summer to take on next year. If someone gave me 5th and CL right now I’d take it. Better than anything else we have seen in a very long time, and I’ve also enjoyed almost every game this season.

New manager, young players, new way of playing all add up to inconsistency, it happened in Klopps first season, and it took Arteta 4 years to do anything at all.
 

SpursForever71

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My worry is, is not being able to change the game when it it clearly going against us.
Whether that be subs or just formation\tactical tweaks. Even before Fulham scored they were by far the better team, with Vicario keeping us in it. We no longer have the excuse of players being out, and noone to call upon from the bench.
Dont get me wrong, when we click we play great football, but that only seems to be in 15-20 min periods. We def had enough quality in the squad today to not get beat like we did
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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Mate, he's in his late 50s - what you see is what you get. He may succeed or he may not but I wouldn't be expecting him to change his approach at this stage of his career.
By no means am I comparing Ange to any of the managers I’m about to mention, however…

The very best managers stay relevant because they are able to reinvent themselves and evolve when evolution is necessary. It’s why Fergie, Klopp and Pep have stayed at the very top for so long.

It’s also why Jose is tarnishing his reputation. He refuses to change despite the fact football has very much moved on.

Ange is an outstanding man and a brilliant coach. I couldn’t be happier to have someone like him managing the club. I just question how sustainable this style of football is over the long run. I also wonder how useful it is having inexperienced coaches like Mason and Jedinak in his set up when it’s his first season in a genuinely top league.
 

Johnny J

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You clearly don't get it - so I will spell it our for you. We had a manager proven at the very top level who asked for time and patience to change the mentality and came out in front of the worlds media and told some homes truths about the club and the players. The fans turned on him. So we replaced him with a bloke who is not proven at the top level, and he talks about building and change and the fact it will take time.

So if you are going to give that time to somebody then common sense says you give it to the bloke who knows what it takes to win the Prem, not the one who doesn't.
Obviously everyone is free to post what they want but personally I see absolutely no point in rehashing the Conte arguments over and over again. It's the past, let it go.
 

thebenjamin

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Jesus Christ I hate some of our fans. Ange has pretty much got the best record of any manager in their first season in the premier league. All in the season losing one of our greatest ever players, on the back of 3/4 years of total garbage football.

How about we give the guy time. He has literally only just begun and has already talked about what we need to improve in the summer to take on next year. If someone gave me 5th and CL right now I’d take it. Better than anything else we have seen in a very long time, and I’ve also enjoyed almost every game this season.

New manager, young players, new way of playing all add up to inconsistency, it happened in Klopps first season, and it took Arteta 4 years to do anything at all.

Yeah spot on. Unfortunately a significant portion of our fan base are either thick as pig shit or twitter wannabes who think it's cool to pretend they know best and find it hard to process the fact things take time.
 

thebenjamin

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You clearly don't get it - so I will spell it our for you. We had a manager proven at the very top level who asked for time and patience to change the mentality and came out in front of the worlds media and told some homes truths about the club and the players. The fans turned on him. So we replaced him with a bloke who is not proven at the top level, and he talks about building and change and the fact it will take time.

So if you are going to give that time to somebody then common sense says you give it to the bloke who knows what it takes to win the Prem, not the one who doesn't.

Yup let's appoint Claudio Raniere
 

Stamford

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You clearly don't get it - so I will spell it our for you. We had a manager proven at the very top level who asked for time and patience to change the mentality and came out in front of the worlds media and told some homes truths about the club and the players. The fans turned on him. So we replaced him with a bloke who is not proven at the top level, and he talks about building and change and the fact it will take time.

So if you are going to give that time to somebody then common sense says you give it to the bloke who knows what it takes to win the Prem, not the one who doesn't.
I've made the same point in the past so I definitely get it. However he's gone, let's just move on and support the guy who is here.

I
 

funkycoldmedina

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You clearly don't get it - so I will spell it our for you. We had a manager proven at the very top level who asked for time and patience to change the mentality and came out in front of the worlds media and told some homes truths about the club and the players. The fans turned on him. So we replaced him with a bloke who is not proven at the top level, and he talks about building and change and the fact it will take time.

So if you are going to give that time to somebody then common sense says you give it to the bloke who knows what it takes to win the Prem, not the one who doesn't.
Except he didn't want time because he wanted out
 

mil1lion

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There's a culture issue with the club. Always been happy to qualify for Europe. Conte was right about not wanting to play with pressure. He just couldn't change it and the big challenge for Ange is whether he can. One key difference is that the fans enjoy the football under Ange over Conte. If we're going to fall short under either of them we might as well play brave attacking football. We won nothing under Poch or Redknapp or Jol but I at least loved the team I was watching. Same with Ange.
 

muppetman

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Fulham were quicker and more aggressive than us today and I’m not sure subs would have made a huge difference.

For me, the biggest problem today was that not a single player had their shooting boots on today, we made enough chances but never looked like converting any of them.

First season was always going to throw up some odd results, bit surprised there haven’t been more tbh.

Love Ange and think we need to just for once not get nervous and see something through to completion.

Couple more decent windows and I think we can genuinely compete.
 

Stamford

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There's a culture issue with the club. Always been happy to qualify for Europe.
Fully agree. There is no expectation. The amount of times I've seen Son come out and apologise. It's actually really boring. Today was as important as Villa, 3 points and we didn't show up
 
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