Yes - but the powers that be in Woolwich did not succumb to the moans and groans of the fans - they backed the bloke - maybe there is a lesson there?
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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Japhet
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Couldn't agree more. recent performances have been like chalk and cheese compared to the quick tempo, high energy style that got us off to such a great start. Injuries and suspensions have disrupted us but we're just playing like a different team now.
Yeah and they finished eighth the following season, and then fifth the one after that. We all had a big laugh at them when we overtook them to finish fourth that season with Conte. People tend to forget how long it took Arteta and even use this current Arsenal as a yardstick to measure us- despite them being years into the project.
I think if you have faith in the plan then you have to stick to it. Not all the changing to plan B/C/D etc that we have been reading about in here the last few weeks.
only1waddle
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It was also the season played mostly without fans in the stadium, so he would almost certainly have faced more pressure.
As for succumbing to fan pressure I'm not sure what you want me to confirm, it's obviously a good thing if the club backs a manager that shows promise.
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One tweak I hope Ange makes is keeping 3 players back even when we attack.
The nature of the way we play, we’re going to lose possession in the middle of the park, problem with this is we’re leaving Romero and VdV exposed every time.
I’d like to see more of a fluid shape defensively so if both full backs are progressing up then the DM slots back into the centre of the CBs and splits them out. Would mean their starting positions would then be closer to the traditional full back positions.
I’m just some fan who loves spurs, so I’m sure Ange would make it more nuanced than my rambling above, but the general premise is the same.
The nature of the way we play, we’re going to lose possession in the middle of the park, problem with this is we’re leaving Romero and VdV exposed every time.
I’d like to see more of a fluid shape defensively so if both full backs are progressing up then the DM slots back into the centre of the CBs and splits them out. Would mean their starting positions would then be closer to the traditional full back positions.
I’m just some fan who loves spurs, so I’m sure Ange would make it more nuanced than my rambling above, but the general premise is the same.
Bluto Blutarsky
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“Trust the process”
Monkey boy
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I don’t think we’ll win anything playing this style of football. You can’t be this open and expect the big teams not to dismantle you.
cookiemonster
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There is no defensive structure at all
Nobody covering for each other
Big gaps and acres of open spaces to be explioted
It's literally hoping our defenders are faster than their attackers
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Disagree. I think there are certain managers like Mourinho, Conte and at the other end of the table Allardyce who are usually brought in to fulfil a specific remit in a short period of time. They don’t really have a reputation as “builders”. Their appointments are even sometimes associated with a club comprising it’s own values in return for some kind of immediate result.
Nanky_1988
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Well… Maddison is back the only players missing are the fullbacks for me! Which I agree are probably the most important to our system!
When teams camp in I feel like the bull backs would be better staying wide or playing proper wingers who hug the touchline as it gets a bit congested!
it’s a work in progress but I’m definitely happy with what I’ve seen soo far!
Allardyce built something incredible at Bolton and also did some great work at Blackburn if memory serves. At Bolton, like his style or not, he was revolutionary in many ways to English football by embracing sports science and data driven decisions in that era.
Jose built Porto up from their lowest league finish in 20 years to European champions over 3 years.
What managers are project managers in this day and age? Pep? Klopp? Arteta?
It’s one of these terms that’s been introduced and embraced as if it provides insight. Kinda like what Ange said about midfielders being a 6 or an 8. They’re just midfielders much like managers are just managers.
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I think so much of this narrative is what social media has done to the game. The radical swings, etc. and seeing such things as “let’s stick with it” as if it’s really becoming difficult. As others have mentioned, some need to really get a grip. I get asking questions, seeking some adjustments, etc, but it’s been like 7 months, playing a completely brand new style of football, and we are still in position to be playing Champions League football if we can just get some stability in terms of injuries.
We lost to a team that was well drilled, playing football they are used to, while missing (arguably but not really) our two most vital players and having to go with 2 guys that simply don’t offer the same styles at all, really.
I’d rather ask questions of the fans ready to dismount the Ange train this quickly than anything else. For me, those folks can get lost, because they won’t change and will always be quick to start shouting for change at the first moment things go sideways. We are in a rebuild and punching above our weight so far does not change anything. We still are inconsistent, and that was always going to be the case (see: Ange constantly saying there would be “ups and downs”). Quite frankly I find it annoying this is even part of the conversation right now.
We lost to a team that was well drilled, playing football they are used to, while missing (arguably but not really) our two most vital players and having to go with 2 guys that simply don’t offer the same styles at all, really.
I’d rather ask questions of the fans ready to dismount the Ange train this quickly than anything else. For me, those folks can get lost, because they won’t change and will always be quick to start shouting for change at the first moment things go sideways. We are in a rebuild and punching above our weight so far does not change anything. We still are inconsistent, and that was always going to be the case (see: Ange constantly saying there would be “ups and downs”). Quite frankly I find it annoying this is even part of the conversation right now.
carmeldevil
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Clearly I'm joking.
Davies we need to improve upon. I’d keep him
it’s what happens, when the timing of the high pressure is off. Players then become unsure if they should be pressing, covering, tracking runs and everything becomes a mess. Small details ruin everything.
marion52
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keyboard warriors.
The ones that will effect any Levy decision are the ones in the stadium, if they start booing, or stop coming to the stadium.
At the moment the stadium is full and it’s hard to get tickets.
After a good result most stay to celebrate.
Kirito
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We are finishing top half this season, he could lose most of the remaining games and not be sacked. We have just sold our best player and are starting again, of course he’ll be given time. However, if we start next season poorly and lose the first few games while looking clueless, then yeah it wont matter about the project then.
Kirito
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Yeah I think those guys were the only ones to come in yesterday but not if Ange isn’t going to switch tactics.
Udogie and Porro play a really unique role for us and we don’t have a like for like.
I partly agree, but what Allardyce and Mourinho achieved twenty years ago is not necessarily relevant to what they later became.
I do know what you mean though, in that words are just words. And there’s no clean demarcation between a so called project manager and any other. But at the same time I think there’s a difference for example when a club like Brighton employs an Allardyce or Hodgson in 2024 versus appointing a Potter or DeZerbi. I think project at least indicates something.
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