only1waddle
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Indeed, Sanchez would also telegraph his easy passes.
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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Indeed, Sanchez would also telegraph his easy passes.
No need for the hyperbole, the likes of Donley, Dorrington and Santiago wouldn't even be on the bench if we had a fully fit squad. They're academy players who have been drafted into the senior team to make up the numbers and give Ange options. If he doesn't think it's appropriate to bring them on in certain situations (ie when we're losing or nervously winning) because he doesn't think it'll help us get over the line or he fears it may do more harm than good for their development, I'm not about to argue with him. Maybe they'll go out on loan when the squad is healthier but it's more likely they'll go back into the U21s. The only questionable one for me is Phillips.
muppetman
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I actually think PEH is the bigger problem. The link between defense and midfield and then midfield and attack was just not functioning at all last night. Pierre's inability to turn and move forward combining with Sarr largely vanishing was a significant part of why we spent so much time on the back foot and made our defenders look worse.
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Yet he was trusted to start the opening game of the season. While I take the point that he was not going to get any better I'd rather he still be here than Dier who Ange clearly doesn't want to use even in a crisis choosing a back up right back to play instead. I was on board with moving Sanchez on at the start of the summer thinking we'd revamp that position but instead once it got to August and he was still 3rd in the pecking order we may as well just have stuck with him as cover.
muppetman
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Any player not currently playing for us is always deemed to be better than what we have - hence the call for the academy kids to be called up. The calls for Sanchez are a bit odd though because we all know what he was actually like. Nice guy, fast in a straight line and good for a last ditch tackle, but not actually a very good fit for us or the PL.
Hercules
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I hyperbole from me at all. I already argued why Emerson is a huge risk as an out if position CB, and if people cannot see this this pointless. I rather either of the named, who will make mistakes, but not as much as what I am seeing from Emerson. And if you are not going to okay then, at 17 years plus, they should be getting loan experience in big men’s league-Championship/L1
RuskyM
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There's no way of knowing this - especially in the case of Dorrington, who's literally never made a senior appearance.
only1waddle
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What other manager of the infamous "top 6/7" would be left with 3rd choice options at CB of....
Eric Dier
Ben Davies (can actually play alongside a better CB and midfield, still not ideal)
Emerson Royal
A lad with 7hrs Championship experience
An 18yr old lad from the U21s
None is your answer, kentucky frickin none of them.
Eric Dier
Ben Davies (can actually play alongside a better CB and midfield, still not ideal)
Emerson Royal
A lad with 7hrs Championship experience
An 18yr old lad from the U21s
None is your answer, kentucky frickin none of them.
But the likes of Johnson, Udogie, Sarr, VdV etc are kids really. They’re all about 21-22. Philips and co are actual kids. They’re like school age basically.
I think eventually some of them probably do need to go on loan. But sitting on the bench and being around the squad must be good experience for them too. Maybe if they’re still doing nothing but sitting on the bench in three years time I’d agree with you.
It’s also important to note that we already do have young players out on loan doing it in big leagues. There’s threads all over this site about them.
Hercules
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They should be established by age 20. That is how it is seen in academies. Established means getting enough full games. That’s not an opinion btw
From the 54th minute against Fulham to the last minute against Palace we had one shot on target. We scored a great team goal v Palace but it was not a great performance.
We then played excellent for the first 15 minutes v Chelsea, after which they were every bit as dangerous as us while it was 11 v 11 and we all know what happened once we got the first red.
We then played abysmally v Wolves.
Enjoyed a great first half v Villa, but were tactically outdone in the second half.
Got a draw against City - battled well, but it could / should have been over by half time.
Another great first half v W Ham, poor in the second
Probably our best performance of the season v Newcastle
We were not great v Forest, they had some good chances
Everton bossed us for 60 minutes
Brighton embarrassed us for 80 minutes.
A great 15 minutes or good half of football is not enough, added to which our keeper has been our player of the season so far - dreed to think where we would be without him.
We then played excellent for the first 15 minutes v Chelsea, after which they were every bit as dangerous as us while it was 11 v 11 and we all know what happened once we got the first red.
We then played abysmally v Wolves.
Enjoyed a great first half v Villa, but were tactically outdone in the second half.
Got a draw against City - battled well, but it could / should have been over by half time.
Another great first half v W Ham, poor in the second
Probably our best performance of the season v Newcastle
We were not great v Forest, they had some good chances
Everton bossed us for 60 minutes
Brighton embarrassed us for 80 minutes.
A great 15 minutes or good half of football is not enough, added to which our keeper has been our player of the season so far - dreed to think where we would be without him.
HildoSpur
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That is just pure opinion - you simply cannot know that. As others have already said, none of the goals yesterday were as a result of an Emerson error. He wasnt great last night but our issues were much more than him.
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Yeah, having his weaknesses in such a key area played a big part in how poorly the whole team played last night.
But we can't really blame Ange too much because he really is limited on his options at the moment.
I'd hate to be having to make the decisions he's currently having to make.
only1waddle
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It can't be far off the most stressful period he's dealt with at a football club.
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I worry for Dorrington with all this hype around him. Likewise Donley and Moore. Some here really need to temper their expectations with the youth. Yes the academy sides are smashing it, but look at Scarlett who we just recalled as he barely played for Ipswich. Devine is getting the games and flourishing. Nobody knows how these careers will go.
Japhet
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Exactly. It's a big step up to EPL from the level Dorrington and Phillips have been playing, and in all probablity Davies and Emerson would look top notch if they dropped down to that level too. Everything about this argument has very relevant context.
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You’re coming out with some right rubbish lately .
Hercules
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hero
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Oh, shut up.
Japhet
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Everything has a knock on effect. Davies and Emerson aren't as good on the ball as Romero and VdV. Hojbjerg isn't as press resistant as Bissouma. Combine those elements and we're immediately under pressure playing out from the back. As a result, out midfield receive less quality ball which restricts our attacking play. With our attacking play less effective we can't dominate and pull the opposition around like we did with Maddison in the team, and he too would probably be much less effective as things stand right now. At the moment we're like a jigsaw puzzle with lots of important bits missing and nobody can make out the picture, but we can't blame individual players. No surprise to me.
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