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Trix

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"Funds for January will be Limited we hope to get a couple in but they won't be big money purchases, plus any sales of course"

"There is some money set aside for the new team, but they haven't been brought in to scout players everyone already knows about, we are back to player trading to generate transfer funds"

From a very good source.
 

UncleBuck

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"Funds for January will be Limited we hope to get a couple in but they won't be big money purchases, plus any sales of course"

"There is some money set aside for the new team, but they haven't been brought in to scout players everyone already knows about, we are back to player trading to generate transfer funds"

From a very good source.
Nice to see some things never change and thanks for the info, DL still hoping to offload NDom for £30m!🤣
 

Scot-Spur

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In today’s age it is extremely difficult to pluck a player that nobody knows.

It sounds like we are going back to the model previously, trying to find younger players with high ceilings not over priced.

Not someone like Mudryk but more like Nusa.

The issue is we still have a lot of dud purchases on our books. Sess, Richy, Gil and GLC to some extent. Plus those on loan.
 

fecka

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Not really surprised by the latest bit of info.
Good players tend to have their values massively inflated in Jan or not even be available at all. Can see a loan or two, or perhaps get someone in early who has a contract expiring next year like Kelly.
We have a very bloated squad as it is and if we get CL or EL next year, at this rate, we'll likely only be able to register 22 players. 21 if Skipp leaves.

Lange and the team have their work cut out for them moving forward.
 

McFlash

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"Funds for January will be Limited we hope to get a couple in but they won't be big money purchases, plus any sales of course"

"There is some money set aside for the new team, but they haven't been brought in to scout players everyone already knows about, we are back to player trading to generate transfer funds"

From a very good source.
I'm quite split on this info.
Part of me likes the fact we're sensible, sustainable and trying to be canny in the market but another part of me thinks, "stadium game changer" my arse!

The trouble is, with it being such an uneven playing field now, with City, Chelsea, Newcastle (soon) and even Arsenal spunking big money on single players, can we really be competitive like this?
I like the way DL is trying to behave within the rules and stuff but the trouble with it is that we're the only "big club" doing so.
 

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I'm quite split on this info.
Part of me likes the fact we're sensible, sustainable and trying to be canny in the market but another part of me thinks, "stadium game changer" my arse!

The trouble is, with it being such an uneven playing field now, with City, Chelsea, Newcastle (soon) and even Arsenal spunking big money on single players, can we really be competitive like this?
I like the way DL is trying to behave within the rules and stuff but the trouble with it is that we're the only "big club" doing so.
I feel this also, however a transfer fee isn’t a good way of judging a player.

We made some great signings the summer gone and they didn’t cost ridiculous amounts.

If (I know it is a big if) we can continue in this way we will be in a good place.
 

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Who is likely to be sold in January? I can't see them letting Dier go unless a replacement is lined up (and would anyone sign him now anyway with his contract expiring?). Perisic won't raise funds for us if he leaves.
 

McFlash

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I feel this also, however a transfer fee isn’t a good way of judging a player.

We made some great signings the summer gone and they didn’t cost ridiculous amounts.

If (I know it is a big if) we can continue in this way we will be in a good place.
Yeah, I'm just nervous about the new recruitment team being able to keep up the work started by Paratici and his team.
To be honest, there's nothing better than unearthing gems like Vicario, Micky and Sarr but in such a competitive market, it's bloody hard.

I know that January is a tricky time to buy players too but there's going to have to come a time that we spend big, if we really want to challenge properly.
Unless the PL, FIFA et al get serious about the financial issues that are ruining the game of course.
 

fecka

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I'm quite split on this info.
Part of me likes the fact we're sensible, sustainable and trying to be canny in the market but another part of me thinks, "stadium game changer" my arse!

The trouble is, with it being such an uneven playing field now, with City, Chelsea, Newcastle (soon) and even Arsenal spunking big money on single players, can we really be competitive like this?
I like the way DL is trying to behave within the rules and stuff but the trouble with it is that we're the only "big club" doing so.

While the increase in TV money is also part of it, our ability to spend in the transfer market has increased substantially since the new stadium. After all, it's not that long ago that we didn't spend a single penny more than we sold players for.

A wild guess is that the frustration comes from the expectation that we would be able to match the spending of the likes of United, Chelsea, and City. Which we clearly can't despite the massive increase in revenue.

As of now, I believe we're the fifth or sixth largest PL club in terms of revenue and I wouldn't be surprised if our spending is around there as well. Over the last 5 years, I believe we might even be 4th in terms of net spending (as shallow of a metric as that is, it's easy to understand nonetheless) and I believe we might be one (if not the one) of the PL clubs with the most transfer debt in terms of money we owe to other clubs. As I understand it, we're still hamstrung by previous poor decisions and will be for a while.
 

McFlash

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Who is likely to be sold in January? I can't see them letting Dier go unless a replacement is lined up (and would anyone sign him now anyway with his contract expiring?). Perisic won't raise funds for us if he leaves.
Maybe Hojbjerg? Maybe Richy, if the Saudi rumours are true?
Anyone that is saleable though will certainly need replacing.
 

T-Bone

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"Funds for January will be Limited we hope to get a couple in but they won't be big money purchases, plus any sales of course"

"There is some money set aside for the new team, but they haven't been brought in to scout players everyone already knows about, we are back to player trading to generate transfer funds"

From a very good source.
How the hell are we back to player trading to generate funds, where is all the money going??? Levy should be in jail not running a football club. If he can't invest in the team he should sell up. We need at least 3 signings in Jan and then a further 3 or 4 in the summer.
 

RuskyM

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What were people expecting? An injury nightmare doesn't change the fact we spent a lot of money in the summer and have added a lot of players in recent years.

Come next season Lloris, Perisic and Dier won't be here, you'd assume Hojbjerg'll go too and possibly my beloved Richy. That'll be a lot of wages that then become free. For the first time in ages, I'm convinced the direction of the club isn't just "buy these players or we'll not win" and actually is a bit more tangible.
 

RuskyM

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How the hell are we back to player trading to generate funds, where is all the money going??? Levy should be in jail not running a football club. If he can't invest in the team he should sell up. We need at least 3 signings in Jan and then a further 3 or 4 in the summer.
The only clubs that spent more than us on players this summer were Chelsea, PSG and Al-Hilal.
 

McFlash

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While the increase in TV money is also part of it, our ability to spend in the transfer market has increased substantially since the new stadium. After all, it's not that long ago that we didn't spend a single penny more than we sold players for.

A wild guess is that the frustration comes from the expectation that we would be able to match the spending of the likes of United, Chelsea, and City. Which we clearly can't despite the massive increase in revenue.

As of now, I believe we're the fifth or sixth largest PL club in terms of revenue and I wouldn't be surprised if our spending is around there as well. Over the last 5 years, I believe we might even be 4th in terms of net spending (as shallow of a metric as that is, it's easy to understand nonetheless) and I believe we might be one (if not the one) of the PL clubs with the most transfer debt in terms of money we owe to other clubs. As I understand it, we're still hamstrung by previous poor decisions and will be for a while.
Yeah, and Ndombele is a big sword hanging above our heads, with a jury still out on Richarlison.
Our big signings have been risks when if we're spending that sort of money, it's got to be a sure fire thing (if there is such a thing).
Fab seemed to have got us back on track, so I'm just hoping the foundations he laid will be built upon.
 

fecka

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Yeah, and Ndombele is a big sword hanging above our heads, with a jury still out on Richarlison.
Our big signings have been risks when if we're spending that sort of money, it's got to be a sure fire thing (if there is such a thing).
Fab seemed to have got us back on track, so I'm just hoping the foundations he laid will be built upon.

Agree. We've tried to a few "big money signings" but most of them have been players that other big clubs didn't want because they A) weren't good enough B) for some other reason weren't deemed worthy of the risk. Examples are Richarlison, Ndombele, Sanchez, etc.
We tried to go for the likes of Frenkie de Jong who openly admitted he rejected us in favor of being patient for another move and I'd bet there are others too.

A few years ago we hit a glass ceiling and have struggled to break through. While trying to do so we had a major identity crisis and gambled on signings that have misfired spectacularly and until we reduce our squad size and free up the wages permanently (and I'd assume recouping some transfer funds), I'd wager we won't see any major movement.
 

McFlash

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The trouble with player trading is that we're not very good at it.
Many of our players aren't worth much anymore, so we're not going to raise much from clearing them out, apart from the wages.

I'd love nothing more than for us to go and spunk £100m on a single player but then I glance over at the likes of Man United and see how they operate and I'm kinda glad we're run the way we are.

It's a complicated thing and us fans are too emotionally involved.
 

elfy

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How the hell are we back to player trading to generate funds, where is all the money going??? Levy should be in jail not running a football club. If he can't invest in the team he should sell up. We need at least 3 signings in Jan and then a further 3 or 4 in the summer.
We've spent £250m so far this season, £180m last season, £95m season before, £110m before that, £150m before that....

3 quarters of a billion pounds spent in the last 5 seasons. THAT is where the money has gone. The issue isn't that we don't spend, the issue is until Paratici came in we spent so poorly and we are still paying the price in terms of both cash and squad places
 
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