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Bluto Blutarsky said:

How?

Brighton finished 15, 16, and 9th in Potter's 3 seasons. His one season at Swansea in the Championship, they finished 10th.


That is not the CV of a manager for a top club in the PL.

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Maybe not. But look at the records of Jol, Redknapp and Poch before they managed Spurs.

I think the most important thing now is finding the right fit.

TPdYID said:

Potter leaves THFC in a better shape then when he arrives

A style of play would allow us to connect with an identity and he has previous of improving players (something we’re desperate for).

The average Spurs fan turns their nose up because his first name is ‘Graham’, he speaks with a Brummy accent and he managed the chavs up the road. Thus ignoring all the qualifying factors which make him a really interesting candidate.

How people can be clambering for Kompany or such like over somebody with Potters obvious abilities is beyond me.

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I think it's the pretty patterns but low scoring part that puts people off. Imagine the frustration...

Spunkmonkey said:

Where have either of those failed?
Last time I looked JN had Bayern top of the league and still in CL.

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Depends what metric you measure ‘failure’ with. If being sacked is your tangent, then both JN & Poch have failed.

My point is, those calling Potter a failure because he was sacked at CFC, but burning candles for Naggers & Poch may want to reassess their assessment processes.

TPdYID said:

How many of those players did Potter sign or get to work with?

Conte had the continuation of the previous season and a full pre-season to embed the summer signings, Potter was expected to hit the ground running.

You can see the difference, can’t you?

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I doubt he signed many at Brighton either in all honesty.

Trix said:

I doubt he signed many at Brighton either in all honesty.

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But you’ll agree it’s likely he had more input at Brighton?

That's mostly at Celtic where he has gained his reputation and if you can't win something at Celtic or Rangers then you have no business being a manager. I would think even you could win there. Yes he won the FA cup with Leicester but then they also won the league with "Diddly Dum Dum" would you want him as our manager. Sorry but I think he has a very overated profile and he has done nothing at Leicester in the last 12 months, just look at their results. Levy has always wanted him so that should tell you something, Oh and I believe he has turned us down twice. He's not for me.

Oh Teddy Teddy said:

Sure, but also worth adding that these 10 first-team players were brought in under a completely different manager. Was always going to take time. Time that they were never going to give him.

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They gave him plenty of time. I think Chelea are in serious problems for what its worth. I think potter was also in an imposible position. He replaced a successful manager who wasn't even underperforming. The players likely were confused by the move and he had to hit the ground running.

He clearly did not have too much of a say on signings having even publicly stated that the clun shouldn't make too many and had to quickly incorporate these new players into the team, despite the fact most of them are not the finished product. The one or two position absolutely needed was not filled this season.

Furthermore, he has had to conduct training sessions with over 30 players. Create a new club culture that was probably completely eradicated by the mass changes, not just in playing staff but backroom staff too.

His job was incredibly hard. But he didn't really succeed in any aspect of it. He should have never moved, Chelsea should still have Tuchel and frankly should have been aiming to consolidate the team, which was not a team lacking in talent to begin with, not radical changes.

But while the project is frankly insane the only thing this experience does is show potters weaknesses and he will have to move a few steps back again, and probably will never reach the top level now. Because generally, and this is not right, you get one shot at the top and he failed.

But my point is also that the board were incredibly patient with him. The fans had their knives out after about a month the board stuck with him. The results havent been mixed, theyve been terrible, and while not entirely his fault you would expect better, you would expect at least something.

I still rate potter. But he hasnt given chelsea direction yet alone results. And
The xG quote hurt him because it suggests he believes Chelsea arent being that bad performance wise.

Potter kinda has a point but doesnt really. The villa game like many before was a game that chelsea were asking to lose. Yes they created chances, yes they had possession. But they didn't have control, they were vulnerable constantly without the ball. You cant be so uncontrolled at the top level, because even when it goes well you breed consistency and this is a trend.

Now the reality is Chelsea are in part uncontrolled because of Enzo Fernandez. Because he is a great player, like an old school deep lying playmaker. But his problem is that he is like an old school deep lying playmaker. He vacates a space in the middle of the pitch, its not that he cant tackle but he cant really do the traditional DM stuff, like for example Jorginho could.

Potter hasnt found a way to balance that midfield. He has tried various solution, maybe Kante could help, but he hasnt found it. Now obviously a preseason would help here, maybe a signing, maybe coaching Enzo a bit. And he cant not play him, or slowly bring him into the team. The board would not want, and the fans wont either. So, I have sympathy but it is his job to find that solution, and he hasnt managed.

He failed, he was given time, and I think he will succeed somewhere else. But not us right now and I think his time at the top is probably up now.

Bluto Blutarsky said:

Potter has had 7 months to work with all the players and sort out who he thinks is his best XI.

He is still losing to the likes of Aston Villa at home.

Surely you can see its not an issue of player turnover, can't you?

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So, if 7 months* was/is enough time, why give him a 5 year contract?

*How many of those 7 months were affected by the World Cup?

TPdYID said:

But you’ll agree it’s likely he had more input at Brighton?

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Tbh I'm not convinced he did. If he did I'd like to think at some point he'd have asked for a CF. I genuinely think their excellent recruitment has very little to do with the managers there at all. I think they just trust their scouts and annalists explicitly and they get it right far more often than not.

My tier-list. Would throw Kompany in B aswell.

Bluto Blutarsky said:

How?

Brighton finished 15, 16, and 9th in Potter's 3 seasons. His one season at Swansea in the Championship, they finished 10th.


That is not the CV of a manager for a top club in the PL.

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They went through periods when they didn't win or score and it looked like they were doomed but they turned it around.

Dude, he was managing Brighton. That isn't a bad CV with what he had available. What De Zerbi is doing now is massively thanks to Potter's work.

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My tier-list. Would throw Kompany in B aswell.

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What the actual fuck is this?

Back to your Mums basement with you quick smart I say.

Trix said:

Tbh I'm not convinced he did. If he did I'd like to think at some point he'd have asked for a CF. I genuinely think their excellent recruitment has very little to do with the managers there at all. I think they just trust their scouts and annalists explicitly and they get it right far more often than not.

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But this goes back to my previous point. Brighton have clearly identified Potter & his philosophy / coaching methods to marry with their vision.

It’s not luck. If the club & management team are attuned to each others working practices then maybe more autonomy can be given to the other areas of the club (scouting). My point is, this takes time. It’s not gonna happen right away.

Those throwing mud at him for a World Cup disrupted 7 months don’t understand the complexities of human connections and the time it takes to “drill” people, units and teams.

Trix said:

I doubt he signed many at Brighton either in all honesty.

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He didn’t sign many of them at all, one or two at most the rest is the scout department

agrdavidsfan said:

He didn’t sign many of them at all, one or two at most the rest is the scout department

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This reads like fact. Have you any source to back this up?

TPdYID said:

But this goes back to my previous point. Brighton have clearly identified Potter & his philosophy / coaching methods to marry with their vision.

It’s not luck. If the club & management team are attuned to each others working practices then maybe more autonomy can be given to the other areas of the club (scouting). My point is, this takes time. It’s not gonna happen right away.

Those throwing mud at him for a World Cup disrupted 7 months don’t understand the complexities of human connections and the time it takes to “drill” people, units and teams.

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I'm not throwing mud at him I just don't think he's as good as others are suggesting he is. I certainly don't want him.

Trix said:

I'm not throwing mud at him I just don't think he's as good as others are suggesting he is. I certainly don't want him.

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I think he is a terrific coach, but unfortunately I don’t think it works at a top club he needs every player to buy in with no ego the more successful he gets the less the players want to work or be micro managed/coached

RuskyM said:

He struggled for the past year but Leicester won an FA Cup and should’ve finished top four, twice. His Liverpool side should’ve won the league too. He’s a good manager. Not saying we should go for him but I fully expect him to get another PL job and ace it for 18 months.

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Interesting you say He "should've finished top 4" with Leicester and Liverpool "should've won the league" there's a lot of "should 'Ve's there. We should've won the the CL. It's his overall record that doesn't inspire me. However we probably wont get the manager that we want whoever that is so let's see what happens.

Slot defensive stats in Eredivisie:

22/23 Feyenoord
2nd best defence: 26 conceded in 27 games (Twente best defence with 22 conceded in 27 games)
Shots Conceded per Game: Ranked joint 1st with 8.7 (Ajax the same, Twente next with 11.1)

21/22 Feyenoord
2nd best defence: 34 conceded in 34 games (Ajax best defence with 19 conceded in 34 games)
Shots Conceded per Game: Ranked 2nd with 8.9 (Ajax top with 7.9)

20/21 AZ Alkmaar - Sacked in December as he was talking to Feyenoord

19/20 AZ Alkmaar (season ended after 25 games due to Covid)
1st best defence: 17 conceded in 25 games (Ajax 2nd best defence with 23 conceded in 25 games)
Shots Conceded per Game: Ranked 2nd with 10.6 (Ajax top with 9.6)

I agree the whole recruitment thing is the key point about how Brighton have made it work with Potter and then seamlessly with de Zerbi. They have a system and style of play, the players are bought in to suit that. Once Potter was off, the new manager was bought in to make the most of what they already had, rather than just getting the next flavour of the month and then waste 18 months having to reshape the squad.
That’s where we need to be smarter, and that I think it what people are alluding to, get a plan, stick with it. It’ll be a touch start, but if we keep faith it will pay off and should be more sustainable. I remember when Santini went, Arnesen was very nonchalant about the change as he stated he was the constant who set the footballing ideology, the Head Coach would be chosen by him to execute that. Now that didn’t pan out right as he soon bolted also, but the theory was good.
That’s what we need to get back to. Choose a style and philosophy, then bring in both coaches and players that all fit the picture. Problem being, out DoF should be laying that out, and he can’t as he’s suspended. That’s why this will drag on. Sadly the only thing that will change that is if Stellini and Mason’s tenure collapses and we plummet down the table, only then will Levy stop sitting on his hands and make a decision.
Saw on here Brighton expected to lose Potter and some players so always have contingency plans. We are reactive, not proactive. Whilst Levy of looking upwards trying to emulate the big teams but on a budget, it’s actually teams below is that show how poorly run we are.