Timberwolf
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Nah mate, through a complex web of betrayal, Machiavellian intrigue and shit defending, Eric Dier has single-handedly brought down 4 successive Spurs managers.
Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte
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JonnySpurs
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Oh I agree with you on this. The culture of the club is broken and for me that comes back to the ownership. They are the common denominator here.
Players are players. Could we have better ones? Sure, but ultimately they do as they are told to do and coached to do. A different manager would get these players at least playing better football than what we've seen under Conte. I'm not saying we'd win more games necessarily, but it wouldn't be as boring and turgid as it has been. Let's face it, we're still 4th after all.
Bottom line though, if the board continue to pick the wrong managers then it wont ever change. Conte was a bad fit. We all hoped it would work, and it did for a short period over last season. We got 4th and thought we'd kick on. Instead we've regressed. Footballing decisions at this club have been bad for 2 decades. The one that they got right was Poch and that was a fluke because Levy got pied by Van Gaal as his first choice! A key factor that often gets forgotten.
The only thing I will give Conte is that if all the personal things hadn't happened, perhaps it would've been different, but we are where we are and it's simply not going to get better IMO.
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I'm not even sure Dier played a lot under Poch in his final few seasons.
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JonnySpurs
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Wow, this is a reach.
Only some???
Or you've realised that you are originally incorrect and I've just shown that up?
8 is a handful yh?
And i didnt even include Skipp, which wouldve been unfair.
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eddiebailey
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People forget how broken Dier was.
SargeantMeatCurtains
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Not Fabrizio Romano jumping to the aid of his fellow countryman. Who could’ve seen that coming!
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It doesn’t need to age well mate, Jol, Redknapp and Poch are all testament to my point. As is Ten Haag at Man.U after they messed around with wrong manager after wrong manager since Fergie left just as we have done since Poch got sacked.
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Yep the right man at the right time can work and overcome the obvious obstacles the board or certain players out before them.
It's happened before and will happen again.
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They really aren't, but I'm not going over the same discussion again, as it's pointless. It's like trying to debate politics or religion.
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The only players currently in our team (excluding Lloris as long term injured) who regularly started at the end of Poch’s time are Kane and Son.
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Yes agreed.
But so much of this situation would be healthier, easier and more repeatable if everyone from the chairman, to the DoF, the board, the head coach and the players all knew their jobs, how to do them well and were fully committed to it.
Club is at fault for hiring a manager that doesn't suit a club a bit. Not culture, not existing squad, nothing. Besides club has brought in more than fair share of players to back up Conte. Thing is if clear Conte signings like Perisic are worst flops tells a lot.
More like historically a whining manager. However it is clear that our best chances of winning something is cups. Now this serial winner managing Juventus, Inter and Chelsea has as many cup trophies as Ben Davies as Swansea player. Now let that sink in.
I'd take a near team of Poch over League Cup and relegation dogfight like Ramos any time of the week. Our weakness is plying after trophies instead of trying to be best footballing team we can be. Pining after trophies leads constantly to obviously wrong managerial choices, we are looking at plain CVs instead of compability. That doesn't work in any line of business.
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Of the 8 players you’ve listed:
Lloris: World Cup winner and captain for club and country. Clearly past his best but his commitment or mentality can’t even begin to be questioned.
Sanchez: has made a grand total of 7 premier league starts this season and is very clearly out of favour.
Dier: played his part in getting us back into the top 4 last season but is generally rubbish and should’ve been sold years ago.
Davies: incredibly consistent and a good squad member. Has never moaned despite being on the fringes of the first team for years before finding a place at LCB under Conte in which he has performed very well.
Lucas: Zero premier league starts this season.
Sessegnon: poor signing. Weakest mentality within the squad. Should’ve been sold.
Son: world class player, potentially now declining.
Kane: if you doubt Kane’s mentality, you’re an idiot.
Winks, Lo Celso and Ndombele aren’t even at the club so that’s an extraordinary reach.
So, who are you blaming?
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He's not wrong though, I've heard similar.
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I’d imagine, without wanting to speculate, that he’s spoken to Kane. He said as much a couple of weeks ago:
Kane: Top four not good enough for Spurs, but we lack ‘ruthless hunger’ to improve
The striker has delivered a damning verdict after a second cup exit in a week raises doubts over Antonio Conte’s immediate future
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I'll give you a specific player mate, Harry Kane.
1. He has been there through it all.
2. Apparently was the player that ultimately got Pochettino sacked
3. Apparently was responsible for keeping Mourinho in the job longer than he should have cause he liked him.
4. Constant stories about us picking/sacking/retaining our manager based off what would keep Harry happy and get him to stay at the club. (ie 'Kane future connected to Mourinho' or 'Kane future connected to Conte' etc.)
Kane is the single most influential player at the club, and if he sets the culture that players have a say over the manager, then that spreads like wildfire. And this is a culture that never works.
I love Kane and what he's done for the club, but I think this is a hard truth we need to face.
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