The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Mr Pink · Oct 22, 2019

Ronwol196061 said:
I think either if you calling this game to be a piece de resistance over a season is not valid. What is valid is assessing the whole thing.To that the two of you probably would both agree somewhat at least surely?

What

Gassin's finest · Oct 22, 2019

Mr Pink said:
We've been poor since last February in the league , not just this season.

That isn't revisionism, it's just accurate.

Good day sir lol

April 2018 ffs.

Gah, I can't be arsed arguing semantics if people can't even be arsed to read the context of the conversation. I've got a train to Tottenham Hale to catch.

Mr Pink · Oct 22, 2019

Gassin's finest said:
April 2018 ffs.

Gah, I can't be arsed arguing semantics if people can't even be arsed to read the context of the conversation. I've got a train to Tottenham Hale to catch.

Wind your neck in ffs

WiganSpur · Oct 22, 2019

Mr Pink said:
I think Levys's big fear is that he goes to United, gets backed to the hilt, and has United competing with City and Liverpool in no time.

It really is one hell of a mess.

We've got no choice. We have to care about ourselves. I don't see what we are supposed to do. We can't sleepwalk into January possibly in relegation trouble for a squad overhaul that may or may not happen and even then may or may not turn our fortunes.

Rout-Ledge · Oct 22, 2019

Regardless of anything else, we shouldn’t make the decision to keep him or to sack him based on what the media (or indeed anyone outside the club) might think, or where he might go or what he might achieve after leaving.

WiganSpur · Oct 22, 2019

freeeki said:
Failure to win tonight against Red Star will, surely, be the end for him.

At least you'd think so at any normal club, but this is Tottenham.

If we can't manage a convincing win tonight against one of the weakest teams in the competition, then I don't see how we can risk letting him take the team to Anfield on Sunday.

We'd probably get beaten with a caretaker manager in charge, might win with a new permanent manager, but will be guaranteed an absolute pasting under Pochettino, I would imagine.

There isn't anywhere near enough time to get a permanent coach in for that game. Not a chance we even sack Poch if we lose tonight, never mind replace him by the date of the game.

Why the fuck we didn't do it after Brighton, I don't know.

We are getting smashed either way, whether it's John McDermott or Pochettino in charge.

VancouverSpur · Oct 22, 2019

Liverpool game is almost a free swing as expectations are so low at this point. Tonight however would put massive pressure on Poch if we either lose or get a point yet play same slow, ponderous, lacking in effort brand of football.

WiganSpur · Oct 22, 2019

VancouverSpur said:
Liverpool game is almost a free swing as expectations are so low at this point. Tonight however would put massive pressure on Poch if we either lose or get a point yet play same slow, ponderous, lacking in effort brand of football.

I don't even give a fuck if we win if we see the usual slow cumbersome tactical mess. It'll probably be worse in a lot of ways as the players will claim 'we can push on from here' or 'we're still fighting for him' or some shit like that.

I only care about performances now, that's the only thing that will convince me to change my opinion on Pochettino.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Oct 22, 2019

Kiedis said:
Gotta stop revisiting this thread. Argentinian Harry Redknapp.

If you can't see how well coached we've generally been and can't identify clear tactical patterns the team has been operating under, as well as numerous successful tactical tweaks where he's bested some of the top managers in this game, then guess what?

It's because you've not been able to understand what you've been seeing.

Winner

Timberwolf · Oct 22, 2019

WiganSpur said:
I don't even give a fuck if we win if we see the usual slow cumbersome tactical mess. It'll probably be worse in a lot of ways as the players will claim 'we can push on from here' or 'we're still fighting for him' or some shit like that.

I only care about performances now, that's the only thing that will convince me to change my opinion on Pochettino.

This. Last season our tactics were largely shite but we still had the Poch spirit. The 2nd leg matches against City and Ajax weren't won on tactical ingenuity but guts and spirit, much in the same way we came behind to win plenty of tight league games despite a dodgy tactical set up.

Now the players have started to doubt Poch's tactics we've lost that critical edge that dragged us through tight games last season, and a Poch team without that core motivation, combined with his recent tactics, is a busted flush. Unless the players start playing for the manager again and put in some serious performances soon then I don't care what the results are as we're destined for mediocrity long term regardless of a couple of wins in the short term.

Poch will always be a Spurs legend but I'd be utterly stunned if he turns it round after such a sustained period of bad form and so many negative signals coming from within the club. I hate to say it, but he has to go.

$hoguN · Oct 22, 2019

I’m really shocked he still has a job

yankspurs · Oct 22, 2019

$hoguN said:
I’m really shocked he still has a job

I expect his funeral will be Sunday at Anfield.

WiganSpur · Oct 22, 2019

Kiedis said:
Gotta stop revisiting this thread. Argentinian Harry Redknapp.

If you can't see how well coached we've generally been and can't identify clear tactical patterns the team has been operating under, as well as numerous successful tactical tweaks where he's bested some of the top managers in this game, then guess what?

It's because you've not been able to understand what you've been seeing.

The last clear sign of a style of play i've seen from this Pochettino team was when we were hoofing it to Llorente towards the end of last season. So maybe the Argentinian Sam Allardyce is more of an appropriate description for the last 12 months or so we've witnessed.

I find it astonishing that some people can't notice the difference on how well coached we've looked from 15/16, 16/17 and 17/18 to last season and now.

Timberwolf · Oct 22, 2019

WiganSpur said:
The last clear sign of a style of play i've seen from this Pochettino team was when we were hoofing it to Llorente towards the end of last season. So maybe the Argentinian Sam Allardyce is more of an appropriate description for the last 12 months or so we've witnessed.

I find it astonishing that some people can't notice the difference on how well coached we've looked from 15/16, 16/17 and 17/18 to last season and now.

The difference is like night and day. From the very beginning of last season, despite some good results, our tactics and coaching looked noticeably worse. Poch has gone from being a 1 system man in which everyone had a clearly defined role, to a 7 system man in which everything is fluid and no-one knows what the hell they're meant to be doing.

He often speaks of the 'need for change' and I agree to an extent, but he's gone too far (perhaps in an attempt to emulte the more naturally gifted tactical managers) and now seems to have lost sight of all of the qualities that made him so good in the first place.

DJS · Oct 22, 2019

freeeki said:
Perhaps you've forgotten the Manchester City game.

The ONE positive we can take from that game is that we, somehow, came away with a point which we did not deserve, largely thanks to VAR ruling their last minute goal out.

The negatives:

City 30 shots on goal, Spurs 3.

If you want to try and paint that game in a positive light then you crack right on, but please don't ever wibble about revisionism on here again.

Wibble...?

(snigger).

slartibartfast · Oct 22, 2019

Timberwolf said:
The difference is like night and day. From the very beginning of last season, despite some good results, our tactics and coaching looked noticeably worse. Poch has gone from being a 1 system man in which everyone had a clearly defined role, to a 7 system man in which everything is fluid and no-one knows what the hell they're meant to be doing.

He often speaks of the 'need for change' and I agree to an extent, but he's gone too far (perhaps in an attempt to emulte the more naturally gifted tactical managers) and now seems to have lost sight of all of the qualities that made him so good in the first place.

Agree. He's taken a twice succesive golden boot winner and rendered him virtually ineffective. Thats fucking criminal.

Everlasting Seconds · Oct 22, 2019

Serious question because it pisses me off to no end and is right up there with snooty and petty pressers.
Why does he never start Lucas Moura.
As in ever.
Fuckwit.

This rant is NOT over. I can assure you of that.

spursfan77 · Oct 22, 2019

Mr Pink said:
We've been poor since last February in the league , not just this season.

That isn't revisionism, it's just accurate.

Good day sir lol

He cant hide from this?

“Tottenham have won just three of their first 12 matches in all competitions so far this season – or nine out of 30, dating back to February. (That they reached a Champions League final last season, against what was otherwise an alarming drop in form, remains a curious quirk.) And it is not just results. It is the joylessness that has been apparent in their performances.”

spursfan77 · Oct 22, 2019

Oliver Kay: Pochettino’s struggles a lot like Klopp’s in his final season at Dortmund
https://theathletic.com/1310256/201...s-a-lot-like-klopps-final-season-at-dortmund/

well worth a read this if you can. It’s pretty spot on. Eg From this:

In five seasons under Pochettino, Tottenham have finished fifth, third, second, third and fourth in the Premier League. They have gone from Europa League also-rans to Champions League also-rans to Champions League finalists. No, they do not have a trophy to show for their progress, but that progress is clear both from the results and from the individual and collective improvement in his squad.
The job changes, though, and so does the whole dynamic around a club. Klopp was indisputably the right man for Dortmund for six seasons, but by year seven everyone was exhausted and it was time for a change. Pochettino has been the right man for Tottenham for five years – unless you take the view that winning the League Cup mattered more than building sustainable long-term progress – but this season is throwing up problems that he is struggling to answer. And as much as some of his selections have been perplexing, so much of it seems to come down to the mood around his team, with so many players performing as if under a dark cloud.

Shadydan · Oct 22, 2019

spursfan77 said:
Oliver Kay: Pochettino’s struggles a lot like Klopp’s in his final season at Dortmund
https://theathletic.com/1310256/201...s-a-lot-like-klopps-final-season-at-dortmund/

well worth a read this if you can. It’s pretty spot on. Eg From this:

In five seasons under Pochettino, Tottenham have finished fifth, third, second, third and fourth in the Premier League. They have gone from Europa League also-rans to Champions League also-rans to Champions League finalists. No, they do not have a trophy to show for their progress, but that progress is clear both from the results and from the individual and collective improvement in his squad.
The job changes, though, and so does the whole dynamic around a club. Klopp was indisputably the right man for Dortmund for six seasons, but by year seven everyone was exhausted and it was time for a change. Pochettino has been the right man for Tottenham for five years – unless you take the view that winning the League Cup mattered more than building sustainable long-term progress – but this season is throwing up problems that he is struggling to answer. And as much as some of his selections have been perplexing, so much of it seems to come down to the mood around his team, with so many players performing as if under a dark cloud.

Post it here mate, not all of us eat carrots and hummus and wear fedoras.

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