The Mauricio Pochettino thread

wadewill said:

Just found out I am out and will be missing the game on Sunday

I'm really happy about that.

That's how i feel about Spurs at the moment

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Yiddo100 said:

a new manager would find turning this team into winners extremely difficult , but I hope that a new new manager would be able to get us actually playing good football and maybe look like we can win a match and even get the players to show a bit of passion , all of which we are currently not doing

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dimiSpur said:

In addition to the mediocrity point, imagine working in an office with colleagues. You are all asked to produce a monthly report in your fields. There are two colleagues who produce fucking out of this world reports every month, which make your brilliant report look OK. You know you'll never outgun them as they're just too good. Eventually, you'll find yourself less motivated to produce your brilliant report. You'll be resigned to never achieving Employee of the Month.

That's my point.

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freeeki said:

Failure to win tonight against Red Star will, surely, be the end for him.

At least you'd think so at any normal club, but this is Tottenham.

If we can't manage a convincing win tonight against one of the weakest teams in the competition, then I don't see how we can risk letting him take the team to Anfield on Sunday.

We'd probably get beaten with a caretaker manager in charge, might win with a new permanent manager, but will be guaranteed an absolute pasting under Pochettino, I would imagine.

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freeeki said:

Failure to win tonight against Red Star will, surely, be the end for him.

At least you'd think so at any normal club, but this is Tottenham.

If we can't manage a convincing win tonight against one of the weakest teams in the competition, then I don't see how we can risk letting him take the team to Anfield on Sunday.

We'd probably get beaten with a caretaker manager in charge, might win with a new permanent manager, but will be guaranteed an absolute pasting under Pochettino, I would imagine.

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Trix said:

Right office scenario.....

Boss comes in and says "despite record sales over the last 3 years I've worked out how to increase them again. I want everyone now to start using your mouse with the opposite hand and turn your keyboard around so it's facing away from you."

Three months later when sales have dropped he comes in and says.

"Right I know how to fix it every day when you come in I'll put you at someone else's desk and do the job of whoever was previously sat there. That'll fix it."

I know that's an over exaggeration but it's the gist of what's happened and continues to do so.

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Trix said:

Its not like that at all. If he went somewhere else I'd totally expect him to do well. He's a motivator, and he's very good at making the players play above themselves. I think though that will only take you so far. My opinion is he's either run out of ways to make the players push themselves or he's lost motivation himself and so it's no longer transferring across. That's when you have to be tactically sound, or at least play to you're players strengths. Neither of which are happening and as such confidence is shot.

He persisted with the diamond for far too long and now instead of going back to basics, he's changing formation week in week out. It's Mike Basset football FFS. If we started with the Christmas pudding formation tomorrow night I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

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SpartanSpur said:

This is the crux of it for me. Love Poch and he was the perfect man for us to make us a consistent CL club during the build of the new stadium. I've always overlooked his clear tactical weaknesses because of his motivation skills and plan A worked so well, and I thought he'd learn over time. It doesn't seem to be the case. He is definitely making things worse now tactically, not just with player selection.

What I can't shake is the thought that even if we have this painful rebuild, we bin off half of the squad and replace only to get back in the same place 2-3 years down the line, with him being found out tactically in big games like he has by the likes of Conte, Allegri and Mourinho. I'm not sure I'm up for that, and I have strong suspicions Poch isn't either deep down, and the players can tell and feel the same. I'm sure he'll have success elsewhere, but I'm becoming increasingly sure he can't take us even further.

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dimiSpur said:

In what way? Whilst I don't always agree with his selections personnel wise, he doesn't usually play players out of position. I don't agree with 3 at the back at home to Watford, but all 3 CBs were CBs, the wing backs were full backs and the central midfielders were central midfielders. Likewise with the diamond. I don't like the diamond, but no one was out of position.

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Gassin's finest said:

Its fair to say that Poch isn't a tactical manager. He's kind of an Argentinian Harry Redknapp, only his players run around a lot, rather than just a bit. And he's brilliant at it.

I don't think he enjoys this part of a team's evolution. He comes alive when the chips are down, when its about heart and passion, rather than playing the right system etc. We talk about how Pep and Jose would be rubbish at a lower league club without their funds. But I reckon Poch would thrive down there. He'd be getting the likes of Barnet or Notts County up to League One in two seasons.

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Hakkz said:

100%. He wants to be an underdog. Revolutions, rebuilds, challenging. Sounds better than being an established top side that needs to take the last step.

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Gassin's finest said:

Like his mentor, Biesla.

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Hakkz said:

Maybe something South American about being so revolutionary...

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dimiSpur said:

Well, further is relative. Have we had a squad which, at the start of a season you said "we ought to win the League this year"?

No. Because we have never started a season thinking that. We've started almost every season with a comfortable top four position in mind as a good season. As the par for this and previous sides under Poch. And we've achieved that, to the point where we've ended up in two title races.

So has Poch got the best out of the players in those seasons? Yes.

Last season, at the outset, we all hoped for another top four position, given ZERO additions to the squad. Come December we were hanging on to the coatails of Liverpool & City.

To go further, it's not a manager change we need, it's personnel. I don't know how far you think any manager can take a team with Rose & Aurier as the main full backs, or Winks as the midfield lynchpin, or an Eriksen who wants out.

I can understand grievances with the level of performance since February and I agree it's worrying. But to say Poch cannot take us further is a mistake. From the evidence in his 5 years at the Club, he achieves almost all that can be achieved with the players he has.

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Trix said:

Right office scenario.....

Boss comes in and says "despite record sales over the last 3 years I've worked out how to increase them again. I want everyone now to start using your mouse with the opposite hand and turn your keyboard around so it's facing away from you."

Three months later when sales have dropped he comes in and says.

"Right I know how to fix it every day when you come in I'll put you at someone else's desk and do the job of whoever was previously sat there. That'll fix it."

I know that's an over exaggeration but it's the gist of what's happened and continues to do so.

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George94 said:

If it's that bad at the moment behind the scenes, I don't understand why Poch hasn't been sacked and replaced already.

Unless Levy is going to sell half the squad and replace in January, I don't get exactly what he's expecting to happen.

Surely it'll only get worse...

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mike_l said:

Favourable?? People keep talking about the Liverpool game as if it's easier after that, but do we really see the team getting anything out of Everton away, or even Sheff Utd at home based on recent performances?

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SpartanSpur said:

£30m+ reasons why not

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