I kind of pointed this out a couple of years ago in this thread. I’m not going to go back and find it. I agree it spoils the visual sweep of what will be a magnificent curve of people. I would have hoped that there could have been a way to provide equally good views without compromising that design aspect. Possibly not - I’m neither the designer or planner.I'm probably going to get absolutely crucified for this but I promise I don't mean to cause any offense to anyone. Anyway, here goes...
Since the "virtual" map thing of the stadium came out where you can see the view from your seat this has been bugging me. A big emphasis has been placed since the beginning about us having this single-tier stand which will be an unbroken "wall" of sound etc. and that's one of the main things that has got people excited about the prospect of the new stadium. Now that the virtual map thing is out, however, you can see that they've put a massive row of disabled seating almost all the way across the middle of the south stand. Obviously I've got no issue whatsoever with having wheelchair seating, in fact I think it's great that even people in wheelchairs are going to be able to take part in the south stand experience, but the trouble with the way it's been designed is that the wheelchair row creates a massive gap pretty much all the way across the stand, all but cutting it in half. Obviously it won't be quite as noticeable once people are in it but it still creates a large gap for the obvious reason that you need lots of extra room for wheelchairs to be able to move along the row etc. For me this massively takes away from the intended effect of having an unbroken "wall" of fans in a single tier because it makes the stand effectively look like it's two tiers anyway.
I just feel like there were better options for accommodating wheelchairs than to put a big dividing row across the middle of the stand like that. For example, in the main stands, there are only 1-2 tiny sections for wheelchairs, presumably because the club don't want to take away from the posh seats they can flog for more money, but I reckon they could've taken a few of the wheelchair sections out of the south stand and moved them to the East/West which would've a) given our disabled fans access to better views etc. anyway and b) would've meant the large row of W/C seating didn't break up the effect of the single tier so much.
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I'm a little disappointed by the way the south stand looks vs what was promised. Like I say, please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not in any way "hating on" people in wheelchairs, if anything my idea is beneficial to disabled fans because it would mean they had better seats. I apoligise if this upsets anyone but that's honestly not my intention.
I think it's been done deliberately. This way the wheelchair bays can be raised high enough that their view isn't obstructed by fans standing below them. Then the people above can be told to sit down while still being able to see too. Reduces the risk for the club of fans standing through the whole stand.I'm probably going to get absolutely crucified for this but I promise I don't mean to cause any offense to anyone. Anyway, here goes...
Since the "virtual" map thing of the stadium came out where you can see the view from your seat this has been bugging me. A big emphasis has been placed since the beginning about us having this single-tier stand which will be an unbroken "wall" of sound etc. and that's one of the main things that has got people excited about the prospect of the new stadium. Now that the virtual map thing is out, however, you can see that they've put a massive row of disabled seating almost all the way across the middle of the south stand. Obviously I've got no issue whatsoever with having wheelchair seating, in fact I think it's great that even people in wheelchairs are going to be able to take part in the south stand experience, but the trouble with the way it's been designed is that the wheelchair row creates a massive gap pretty much all the way across the stand, all but cutting it in half. Obviously it won't be quite as noticeable once people are in it but it still creates a large gap for the obvious reason that you need lots of extra room for wheelchairs to be able to move along the row etc. For me this massively takes away from the intended effect of having an unbroken "wall" of fans in a single tier because it makes the stand effectively look like it's two tiers anyway.
I just feel like there were better options for accommodating wheelchairs than to put a big dividing row across the middle of the stand like that. For example, in the main stands, there are only 1-2 tiny sections for wheelchairs, presumably because the club don't want to take away from the posh seats they can flog for more money, but I reckon they could've taken a few of the wheelchair sections out of the south stand and moved them to the East/West which would've a) given our disabled fans access to better views etc. anyway and b) would've meant the large row of W/C seating didn't break up the effect of the single tier so much.
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I'm a little disappointed by the way the south stand looks vs what was promised. Like I say, please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not in any way "hating on" people in wheelchairs, if anything my idea is beneficial to disabled fans because it would mean they had better seats. I apoligise if this upsets anyone but that's honestly not my intention.
I kind of pointed this out a couple of years ago in this thread. I’m not going to go back and find it. I agree it spoils the visual sweep of what will be a magnificent curve of people. I would have hoped that there could have been a way to provide equally good views without compromising that design aspect. Possibly not - I’m neither the designer or planner.
If you look at the wheelchair seating in the E/W stands it looks to me like they've just tried to put as little as possible there so that they don't take away from the expensive seating available and as a result have had to cram as much as possible into the "cheap" seats. To me anyway it look like they've just put money making ahead of making the south stand as good as it could possibly be, same applies to the 1882 thing. This all annoys me mostly because the south stand was basically the one thing that was promised to the regular fans as a compromise for rebuilding the rest of the stadium to maximise profits i.e. we're going to knock down your beloved old stadium and rebuild it so we can maximize corporate revenue etc. but if you let us do this we'll build you a big single-tier stand so that ordinary fans can still go there and generate a real atmosphere. But then they've gone and messed it up by a) splitting it in half with wheelchair seats rather than sacrifice a few more premium seats in the E/W stands and b) making the rest of the middle of the south stand into a "corporate light" section for these 1882 lot.
Never read so much rubbish, wheelchair fans has every right to be in the south stand as anyone else. I have some of the so called real fans standing near me at Wembley, the Shelf Side or whatever they call themselves, half of them leave before the end of the game , that's real support for you.
Never read so much rubbish, wheelchair fans has every right to be in the south stand as anyone else. I have some of the so called real fans standing near me at Wembley, the Shelf Side or whatever they call themselves, half of them leave before the end of the game , that's real support for you.
There's clearly a lot of people leaving early at Wembley because it's such a nightmare getting out of and away from the stadium, especially with it being at the opposite end of London from where we normally have to get to. Real fans do have lives outside of football and can't always justify potentially losing an hour to stay for the final five minutes. And none of it has any relevance as to whether splitting the South Stand in half is a particularly bright idea or not. Especially when you could obviously put wheelchair spaces in the stand without doing that - at least have them staggered through the middles, or at the sides, front or back of the stand.Never read so much rubbish, wheelchair fans has every right to be in the south stand as anyone else. I have some of the so called real fans standing near me at Wembley, the Shelf Side or whatever they call themselves, half of them leave before the end of the game , that's real support for you.
Unless there is more than one '1882 lot', I don't think you understand what it's about. The 1882 movement is hard core fans who want to sit/stand together and sing. It started when they went to youth games and made the atmosphere like a first team match. They are anything but 'corporate'.........But then they've gone and messed it up by a) splitting it in half with wheelchair seats rather than sacrifice a few more premium seats in the E/W stands and b) making the rest of the middle of the south stand into a "corporate light" section for these 1882 lot.
The "not-quite corporate" £2200 season tickets in the new ground are branded 1882.Unless there is more than one '1882 lot', I don't think you understand what it's about. The 1882 movement is hard core fans who want to sit/stand together and sing. It started when they went to youth games and made the atmosphere like a first team match. They are anything but 'corporate'.
I'm probably going to get absolutely crucified for this but I promise I don't mean to cause any offense to anyone. Anyway, here goes...
Since the "virtual" map thing of the stadium came out where you can see the view from your seat this has been bugging me. A big emphasis has been placed since the beginning about us having this single-tier stand which will be an unbroken "wall" of sound etc. and that's one of the main things that has got people excited about the prospect of the new stadium. Now that the virtual map thing is out, however, you can see that they've put a massive row of disabled seating almost all the way across the middle of the south stand. Obviously I've got no issue whatsoever with having wheelchair seating, in fact I think it's great that even people in wheelchairs are going to be able to take part in the south stand experience, but the trouble with the way it's been designed is that the wheelchair row creates a massive gap pretty much all the way across the stand, all but cutting it in half. Obviously it won't be quite as noticeable once people are in it but it still creates a large gap for the obvious reason that you need lots of extra room for wheelchairs to be able to move along the row etc. For me this massively takes away from the intended effect of having an unbroken "wall" of fans in a single tier because it makes the stand effectively look like it's two tiers anyway.
I just feel like there were better options for accommodating wheelchairs than to put a big dividing row across the middle of the stand like that. For example, in the main stands, there are only 1-2 tiny sections for wheelchairs, presumably because the club don't want to take away from the posh seats they can flog for more money, but I reckon they could've taken a few of the wheelchair sections out of the south stand and moved them to the East/West which would've a) given our disabled fans access to better views etc. anyway and b) would've meant the large row of W/C seating didn't break up the effect of the single tier so much.
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I'm a little disappointed by the way the south stand looks vs what was promised. Like I say, please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not in any way "hating on" people in wheelchairs, if anything my idea is beneficial to disabled fans because it would mean they had better seats. I apoligise if this upsets anyone but that's honestly not my intention.
Unless there is more than one '1882 lot', I don't think you understand what it's about. The 1882 movement is hard core fans who want to sit/stand together and sing. It started when they went to youth games and made the atmosphere like a first team match. They are anything but 'corporate'.
A couple of things worth considering with regards to the WC seats in the south stand.
- For the club to include the future proofed safe standing area the rake of the lower part of the south stand had to be a lot less than the rake of the upper section. If the upper section were at the same rake as the lower you'd lose far more seats than the WC ones take up.
- Because of the rake differences there was always going to be a split of sorts which is an opportunistic location to put WC seats.
- I believe the plan is for the concrete wall behind the WC sections to feature a mural/be painted so that it will blend in for the cameras. It shouldn't look like there is a gap there at all.
- WC fans deserve the chance to sit in the south stand too, and surely if the WC seats were all in the east or west they would be more expensive?
The "not-quite corporate" £2200 season tickets in the new ground are branded 1882.
Fair enough. I stand corrected. Thanks.I'm not talking about that I'm talking about the new stadium. There's a whole load of "premium" seats on sale in the south stand for like 2500 that get you access to the "1882 club" that has a private bar etc. It's basically like a corporate light, like I said.
So people in WCs can't sit in the middle of the stand cause you think it spoils how the stand might look? Who cares, you're there to watch the game not the stands!
They've also got plenty of disposable fans who switch allegiance and sulk if they don't win everything immediatelyMost single-use plastics now reside at the Etihad or Stamford Bridge...
Wooaah hang on a minute. You're completely misinterpreting what I said. When did I ever say they have no right to be in the south stand? In fact I actually said I think it's great that they've got WC seating there so they can be part of it too.
My issue is entirely with the way that the WC seating is arranged, not with the WC fans in any way. For example, rather than having it run all across the middle of the stand, they could've arranged the WC seating in pockets throughout the stand so that it doesn't effectively cut the so-called single-tier stand in half. That way there's equally as much WC seating in the stand so everyone can be part of it, but you don't take away from the "wall" effect.
Plus, like I say if you look at the seating chart there is very little WC seating in the E/W stands and most of it is pushed to the "cheaper" seats, which is clearly not because they're doing a favor to WC fans, it's because they want to charge more money for the E/W tickets and don't want WC fans who pay less to be cutting into their profit margins.
Please don't twist this into me somehow bashing people in wheelchairs, if you actually read what I said I've done nothing of the sort.