This High Line

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

Why do we still do this? Just absolutely mystified.

We get caught out time and time again.

We saw today how to defend. The scum sat back and packed the middle - we had 2 shots on target.

Can we please stop this awful tactic now.

 

[mw828]

Why do we still do this? Just absolutely mystified.

We get caught out time and time again.

We saw today how to defend. The scum sat back and packed the middle - we had 2 shots on target.

Can we please stop this awful tactic now.

We gave away one fluke goal that wasn't because of the high line. We got caught out maybe 2 times. If you want evidence against playing a high line, today's game is not a good example.

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

We gave away one fluke goal that wasn't because of the high line. We got caught out maybe 2 times. If you want evidence against playing a high line, today's game is not a good example.

Look at the goal again.

We lose the ball, the scum break. Our furthest defender back is on the half way line. We have Naughton on the other side of the pitch. On the side of the pitch they break down our defensive line is closer to their 18 yard box than the half way line.

They break its 3-4 of their players vs 3 of ours. They get a chance and score. How in God's name is that not to do with the high line?

This is not just in response to this game but Benfica also springs to mind. Why are we doing it when we concede so many goals due to it?

 

[nferno]

once kaboul and vertonghen get used to playing with each other, it won't be a big issue. sure we could get caught out now and again, but not as much as we have done all of this season.

it's only a big issue and repeatedly exploited with slow players like dawson at CB.

 

[tobi]

Today's high line was an extreme version that hasn't been seen since last season, at least back then the structure and discipline of the team was much better.

 

[ilikeost]

Why do we still do this? Just absolutely mystified.

We get caught out time and time again.

We saw today how to defend. The scum sat back and packed the middle - we had 2 shots on target.

Can we please stop this awful tactic now.

You play a high line because you want to deny the opositions midfielders space. Against Arsenal who at the moment doesn't have any fit wingers who can run in behind the back four and really punish us then it's a very reasonable tactic. I would not say that the goal was down to the high line, it was down to a shitty loss of possession in the attacking third while Rose had pused forward.

 

[Tom Pops]

We gave away one fluke goal that wasn't because of the high line. We got caught out maybe 2 times. If you want evidence against playing a high line, today's game is not a good example.

Alex Oxlade Chamberlain through, Podolski through, one which was wrongfully ruled out for offside which was 3 on 1, there were probably more.

If Arsenal had been clinical you wouldn't be saying that.

 

[tobi]

You play a high line because you want to deny the opositions midfielders space. Against Arsenal who at the moment doesn't have any fit wingers who can run in behind the back four and really punish us then it's a very reasonable tactic. I would not say that the goal was down to the high line, it was down to a shitty loss of possession in the attacking third while Rose had pused forward.

Its not about their lack of wingers (they never play with them), its the direct runners that caused the issues early on.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

We played it alright today. They were caught offside more often than not.

 

[ilikeost]

Its not about their lack of wingers (they never play with them), its the direct runners that caused the issues early on.

So Wallcott isn't a winger? Podolski is deployed as a winger (a shitty one). When their players are fit they usually play with at least one winger.

 

[idontgetit]

There's nothing wrong with the high line per se. Under AVB we had the tightest defence in the league for the fist 10 games of the season while playing with a settled defence (and that include Dawson!)

It just shouldn't be inflexible. You can have an emphasis on pushing up the pitch but should know when to drop off.

Todays problems were caused by our team dynamics being a little shaky at the start of the game, seeing as we've never used that line-up before, and by defenders being out of form and lacking recent game time. Both Rose and Kaboul have spent a long time out injured whilst Naughton (who put in a great shift) isn't our regular full back.

One thing that isn't helping is Sandro getting caught out of position too far up the pitch

 

[tobi]

So Wallcott isn't a winger? Podolski is deployed as a winger (a shitty one). When their players are fit they usually play with at least one winger.

They are both wide forwards, they think like forwards and attack open spaces, this gives their midfielders a target other than the Giroud (target man).

Walcott crosses more than the others but it doesn't make him a winger.

 

[ilikeost]

They are both wide forwards, they think like forwards and attack open spaces, this gives their midfielders a target other than the Giroud (target man).

Walcott crosses more than the others but it doesn't make him a winger.

A wide forward and a winger is basically the same thing. But my original point still stands even if we are talking about wide forwards or wingers.

 

[shelfboy68]

Look at the goal again.

We lose the ball, the scum break. Our furthest defender back is on the half way line. We have Naughton on the other side of the pitch. On the side of the pitch they break down our defensive line is closer to their 18 yard box than the half way line.

They break its 3-4 of their players vs 3 of ours. They get a chance and score. How in God's name is that not to do with the high line?

This is not just in response to this game but Benfica also springs to mind. Why are we doing it when we concede so many goals due to it?

Really can't see how anyone can disagree with you on this it's as obvious as the nose on your face.

 

[mpickard2087]

The only times we were caught out today with it (twice first half I believe) were down to Kaboul, which may be because he isn't used to playing it. It looks dangerous but we usually play it well.

I have seen years worth of Tottenham teams sit back and concede goals, so I'm fine with it if we use it properly. If we sat back I think our team becomes easier to play against actually because we do lack work rate and I think we become more stretched.

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

You play a high line because you want to deny the opositions midfielders space. Against Arsenal who at the moment doesn't have any fit wingers who can run in behind the back four and really punish us then it's a very reasonable tactic. I would not say that the goal was down to the high line, it was down to a shitty loss of possession in the attacking third while Rose had pused forward.

Lol.

Chamberlain and Podolski. Not able to exploit the high line? Lol

The scum are a fantastic counter attacking side. This high line tactic was a major contributory factor to us conceding this first goal in our last 2 games.

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

Really can't see how anyone can disagree with you on this it's as obvious as the nose on your face.

Just people theorycrafting based on memory.

When I made this post I was watching the replays on SKY and rewinding to see what exactly happened.

But lets not let the facts get in the way of poor tactics.

 

[easley91]

Today's high line was similar to Arsenal's at WHL last season. In the first half they seemed to get beyond it pretty easy for the most part. The players we have (Dawson very much included) we should not use it. Or at least use it against sides we know won't expose it.

 

[weststandvoice]

Why do we still do this? Just absolutely mystified.

We get caught out time and time again.

We saw today how to defend. The scum sat back and packed the middle - we had 2 shots on target.

Can we please stop this awful tactic now.

Another witless smokescreen from our friend the headmistress.

 

[ebzrascal]

We gave away one fluke goal that wasn't because of the high line. We got caught out maybe 2 times. If you want evidence against playing a high line, today's game is not a good example.

I think the main problem has been we have not defended properly most of the season.

The goal today is caused today by Rose going into the right wing position at the same time we lose possession on the half way line... Ths space is exploitied behind Rose and the rest is history!!!

Rose and Walker have been used almost as second wingers this season but our defensive midfielders and central defenders do not seem to react quickly enough to compensate and cover the gaps that have been left....