Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[Trix]

There’s certain members here that will take their opinions on Ange to the grave rather than admit that he’s not the coach they thought he was.

I agree.

He's certainly far more rigid in his thinking than I thought he'd be, but that doesn't mean he's not still the right man to take us forward.

 

[daryl]

Seems like you and lots of others are missing / avoiding the point - which is why a £15M a year proven title winning manager (name irrelevant) would want to leave? Because I suspect most of the answers lead us to some uncomforatble home truths about OUR football club.

Because he was totally embarrassing himself,, he kicked off acting like a spoilt little child over the likes of that donkey Zaniola not being signed, and he’d been getting slaughtered by every spurs fan on twitter/social media, what has this dinosaur done since leaving Tottenham??

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

I agree.

He's certainly far more rigid in his thinking than I thought he'd be, but that doesn't mean he's not still the right man to take us forward.

I would prefer for Ange to stick to his system and guns, that’s how you build title/cup winning teams. We just need to look at Liverpool/Arsenal/City for evidence of this.

Those 3 all have stubborn managers, set in their ways, with little compromise other than some tactical flexibility depending on the opposition. But they stick to their principles and they need players that fit the profile. Ange needs to do the same, and the board needs to back him in this regard just like those 3 clubs have.

It’s by no means a bad thing, but admitting that he’s not going to coach a potato into a world beater might just be a bit of a soft subject.

 

[easley91]

This is going to be a long two weeks without a match isn't it..?

 

[Gilzeanking]

The stuff about Ange managing in lesser leagues being an issue is a bit of an odd one to me. Most leagues are competitive, so if you are winning at that level you are doing well. The PL is tougher than the Aussie league (I assume as I don't watch the Aussie one!), but we have better players to counteract that.

Yes, but another important thing about coming to a league so rich as the Prem is the top quality opposition managers. I thought Eddie Howe did a really professional job on us for example.

I just hope Ange is learning the ropes atm .

 

[Trix]

Yes, but another important thing about coming to a league so rich as the Prem is the top quality opposition managers. I thought Eddie Howe did a really professional job on us for example.

I just hope Ange is learning the ropes atm .

I'm sure he is. You learn far more from your losses than you ever do from your wins. Even if it's just about the mentality of your players in tough circumstances. One thing we do know is that Ange won't put up with slacking off or giving up when the going gets tough.

 

[Misfit]

I would prefer for Ange to stick to his system and guns, that’s how you build title/cup winning teams. We just need to look at Liverpool/Arsenal/City for evidence of this.

Those 3 all have stubborn managers, set in their ways, with little compromise other than some tactical flexibility depending on the opposition. But they stick to their principles and they need players that fit the profile. Ange needs to do the same, and the board needs to back him in this regard just like those 3 clubs have.

It’s by no means a bad thing, but admitting that he’s not going to coach a potato into a world beater might just be a bit of a soft subject.

People made this exact same argument with Conte too, and I agreed with it then. The trouble Conte had with this club IMO was his idea of a working budget and ours. Ange is similar in the sense of 'we play this way and only this way' but willing to work with £40M CBs instead of £80M CBs who don't really want to come here and say no anyway.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

This is going to be a long two weeks without a match isn't it..?

And nobody has thought to start a takeover story yet.

All I can say is Ange's first season in the world's strongest league and we are 5th still with a great chance of finishing in a CL place, almost certainly guaranteed a Euro competition of some kind next season, really not sure what everybody is moaning about.

 

[Styopa]

People made this exact same argument with Conte too, and I agreed with it then. The trouble Conte had with this club IMO was his idea of a working budget and ours. Ange is similar in the sense of 'we play this way and only this way' but willing to work with £40M CBs instead of £80M CBs who don't really want to come here and say no anyway.

I think you’re right, but there’s other fundamental differences too.

1. Ange’s preferred style of football is much more aligned with the club and the fans than Conte’s preferred style.

2. Ange’s style of football is more aligned with how most successful teams play right now than Conte’s, e.g Man C, Liverpool, Arsenal

3. Ange’s style of communication resonates more with the majority of fans than Conte’s style, I think.

4. We were small fry for Conte. It was a step down for him he let us know it, whereas for Ange we are the biggest job of his career.

5. Ange seems to want to be here. By the second season Conte was making noises about not wanting to remain here, and his contract was expiring at the end of the season.

 

[Trix]

And nobody has thought to start a takeover story yet.

All I can say is Ange's first season in the world's strongest league and we are 5th still with a great chance of finishing in a CL place, almost certainly guaranteed a Euro competition of some kind next season, really not sure what everybody is moaning about.

You are right there should be no posts other than those of complete blind optimism and joy.

Or.... we could talk about all things Spurs good and bad, on this here Spurs forum.

And FWIW I don' see much moaning going on at all, just people pointing out things that need to improve whilst acknowledging we are going in the right direction.

 

[parj]

My point is people are now saying we need to buy better players for Ange so we can compete with the top level clubs for the league and champions league. This is quite similar to what people were saying about Conte and others. For me, it doesn't matter who the manager is, if we want to compete with the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and others, we need to buy the same level of players as they do and be willing to pay the money to do so (on wages as well as transfer fees). There is a reason Man City spend the money on players they do.

We need to back the managers but I think backing Ange will be easier than Conte due to types of players will need. No way Werner could be bought in to do a job for Conte for 6 months.

We just need to make sure we massively reinforce the key positions that make the tactics work.... A Bissouma that shows up every week, for example. There will be more DM options available.

 

[Yantino]

I think it’s already shown that our issue has not been about spending. It’s been about spending well and effectively. Most of the signings in the last couple of windows have been excellent. So I expect more of the same this summer.

 

[McFlash]

There’s certain members here that will take their opinions on Ange to the grave rather than admit that he’s not the coach they thought he was.

To be fair, there's people on either side of any debate that are like that on here.

I can't speak for everyone but I would say the majority have got exactly what they expected this season from him.
There were bound to be some bumps in the road in his first season, implementing a completely new style with new players.

Yeah, I'm a bit disappointed by our recent form but it wasn't unexpected at some stage this season.
I reckon we'll be a lot better next season, which is why I'm happy that he's sticking to his guns.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Ange quote at the start of the season , he wasn't wrong.

Buckle up. It's not going to be smooth. It never is in my first years. That's not to say you can't be successful but there will be some turbulence there.

 

[Spriggan]

Ange quote at the start of the season , he wasn't wrong.

Buckle up. It's not going to be smooth. It never is in my first years. That's not to say you can't be successful but there will be some turbulence there.

I was about to post something very similar to this. I guess there are many among us who only hear/remember what they want to hear, or remember, and ignore the rest (had to fight the temptation to quote Simon and Garfunkel ).
In all the decades I've followed football I can't remember a coach coming into any team and nailing it their first season! Players have been coached by many different coaches, all with differing game plans, so it's natural that it takes time and perseverance to build a cohesive team that can accomplish what all fans want, namely success.
Patience grasshoppers, patience.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Because he was totally embarrassing himself,, he kicked off acting like a spoilt little child over the likes of that donkey Zaniola not being signed, and he’d been getting slaughtered by every spurs fan on twitter/social media, what has this dinosaur done since leaving Tottenham??

Wanna be careful with that glass house your building mate.

Will be annoying when Conte takes 2 years off and still wins a title before we do.

Jose made 2 European finals in the two seasons after he left us, winning one.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

AI interviews are getting out of control.

 

[Arden]

Yes, but another important thing about coming to a league so rich as the Prem is the top quality opposition managers. I thought Eddie Howe did a really professional job on us for example.

I just hope Ange is learning the ropes atm .

He did get his tactics spot on but saying that in the first 20 minutes or so we had opportunities that our forward line just didn’t seem to be on the same wavelength.

then they just got nullified/bullied out of the game.

this was as big a problem for me as the defensive errors

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I would prefer for Ange to stick to his system and guns, that’s how you build title/cup winning teams. We just need to look at Liverpool/Arsenal/City for evidence of this.

Those 3 all have stubborn managers, set in their ways, with little compromise other than some tactical flexibility depending on the opposition. But they stick to their principles and they need players that fit the profile. Ange needs to do the same, and the board needs to back him in this regard just like those 3 clubs have.

It’s by no means a bad thing, but admitting that he’s not going to coach a potato into a world beater might just be a bit of a soft subject.

No one is asking him to change his philosophy, just tweak the tactics to get the best out of that philosophy.

None of Liverpool, city, or arsenal play the same way now as they did 3 years ago. Same philosophy, but tactical tweaks have been made.

We all agree we want possession first attacking football.

But we also think that maybe only having 2 defenders when we lose the ball isn't the best situation to find ourselves in, consistently.

 

[jurgen]

AI interviews are getting out of control.

Christ, TikTok 'humour' is brutal...