Match Threads Everton vs Spurs - Match Thread - FA Cup Rd 5

[SpursSince1980]

The problem with the cautious setup is it invites pressure which in turn causes our defenders to make mistakes. Regardless of how we setup our defence isn't good enough. Personally, I'd rather we attack and pin our hopes on Kane and Co. being able to outscore our defensive mistakes than sit back and suffer through performances like Brighton.

Well pal, I got news for ya... if that's what you want, I sure as fuck hope you enjoy Championship football... 'cos that's what we'd get playing that way. As our defense and midfield has shown... time and time again, they are barely good enough to play for a bottom of the the table team, let alone a team pretending they are good enough to finish in the top 4.

So, while you may enjoy us losing every game 4-3 or 6-5 or 3-2 or 17-9.... It's still losing. And I fucking hate losing.

And until we fix our midfield and defense, we are what we are... which is an average (at best) mid table team. Everyone needs to just accept that we don't have the type of players they think we do. We are what we were 10 years ago. Mid table mediocrity.

 

[curlacious]

On the bright side...

Spursy vs Evertony — Spursy wins

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Jermaine Jenas just said, and I quote, “Lamela played reasonably well.”

He really is one of those players that has to play utterly out of his skin for the majority to even notice his existence. Strange.

I actually very rarely agree with Jenas. He speaks well but what he actually says is mostly shit.

 

[worcestersauce]

I think we should remember we let in four goals, three in six minutes and Harry Winks wasn't even warming up.
Yes we need upgrades but let's not put all our blame eggs in one basket. Personally I'm not handing out blame at all.
We lost away to Everton and took it to the wire, personally I miss the old days when we'd be celebrating a draw and bringing them back home for the replay.

 

[hutchiniho]

We know what you get from SIssoko in midfield. You know he’s limited with the ball but he’s disciplined in a positional sense and hardly makes an error.

Winks on the other hand.

Nooooo, hardly makes an error.
Fine as a block vs a ManCity but there are very few more limited players with the ball at his feet.
He dithers on the ball terribly, it’s like he genuinely doesn’t know what to do with it.
Keep him for the bench, maybe? But I have no problem selling him

 

[wadewill]

Problem is

We could well lose by a bucket load to City, I don’t fancy usagainst West Ham one bit.

its then 1 win in 6 and that was against a terrible wba

That was a big game tonight, wether we deserved more or not, we lost it

Europa or nothing and with that defence, it’s nothing

 

[Steffen]

Spoiler

nobody does! Nobody commits 6 guys forward the entire game. At least one CM - Hojbjerg in this case - is supposed to fill that space and break up play.

You know what? I'm fed up. And lots of folks like you are making similar comments... so no offense, but you're gonna be the target of my ire...

This agenda about Jose has now reached nonsensical and laughable standards. What planet are you living on? Have you played football before? Do you understand a single thing going on out on the field?

You finally got the attacking approach you've been berating Jose for, over the last three months. But oh, now it's crap, 'cos dumb Jose doesn't teach our defense how to attack. We score four goals, yet somehow, the defensive prevented us from scoring more??

Let's look at some facts shall we:

1. First goal Everton score comes from a horrendous fuck up from PEH followed by an appalling attempt at a save.
2. Second goal, comes from our midfield, again making a mistake, and our defense NOT CLOSING DOWN.
3. Third goal comes from PEH making another mistake. accompanied by a kindly ref decision.
4. Dav switches off (not for the first time), Lloris again takes a bad position and Richarlison scores a cracking shot.
5. Is similar to 4. Again, aided by a dumbass ref decision.

We score 4 goals... but that ain't enough, apparently. We attack, but that's also shit according to you. We make amateurish defensive mistakes, but that is also Jose's fault.

Is COVID also his fault?

All of their goals resulted from either stupid DEFENDING errors or poor decision making in our midfield. It was bad luck and rank stupidity that lost us the game. Not tactics. Not strategy. Not management.

Seriously... wow, the hell is that the manager's fault? Get over your agenda for one second, and maybe just accept, that we had a really shitty day in the office. And lots of our staff make gaffe after gaffe. Jose (for once) is not to blame for that sad sack of shit we saw today. That was just a set of defenders and midfielders playing a game of who can do their best impression of Calamity Jane.

Moreover, you've been baying at the moon for us to be more expansive. Guess what? We were. Guess what? We conceded 5 goals, 'cos Jose knows our defenders are clowns.

Yet somehow, in your mind, that is all Jose's fault?

I'm just done with folks on SC who can't seem to separate their hatred for the man from actual reality.

Tonight was absolute shit. It was the very definition of SPURSY. And our manager deserves no responsibility for today's shit show. He is not the excuse for Everton winning. That is 100% on the players, who again proved to the world that the majority of them have the mentality of a timid squirrel. We fucked up royally. Any now chuffing manager in the universe could do a thing about how our players handled themselves. They were a joke at the back. Simple as that. Just accept it for what it is. And stop trying to find reasons to blame the one person who was least to blame for that humiliation.

I know you weren't directing this at me specifically, but I think you've put me in the wrong camp. I'm pro Jose, or rather pro winning no matter the style. I'm absolutely not blaming the team for not scoring more than 4 goals. I'm just saying that our defence is too poor to play the attacking football the Mourinho haters are pining for.

 

[Escher]

One point to note - this could help on the long run with the fixture pile up. Certainly better than losing another heartbreaking semi.

There are only two more games to play before the final, we missed a great chance this season, I'm so disappointed

 

[UbeAstard]

All the moaning about Winks and Sissoko, from real fans? They are not match winners and sure Winks was way off the pace today, but there are times they both have a role when we dont need someone who can turn a game. I watched a massively entertaining game which hinged on some avoidable situations, but if we had lost all the games we were poor in like this, I would feel much better for Jose and the future.

 

[wadewill]

Nooooo, hardly makes an error.
Fine as a block vs a ManCity but there are very few more limited players with the ball at his feet.
He dithers on the ball terribly, it’s like he genuinely doesn’t know what to do with it.
Keep him for the bench, maybe? But I have no problem selling him

Everton were literally letting him have the ball on the right, as long as he didn’t pass to someone short, he was no danger on the ball at all

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

Does anyone think Jose might quit at the end of the season? Just asking the question. I would hope not but nothing in this world surprises me.

 

[Delevision]

we lack a commanding figure.

i used to feel that when Ledley played he made everyone else look a better player. Especially Dawson.

similar to van dijk.

It starts with the goalkeeper, when the defenders know 100% that he isn't going to claim anything they're under so much more pressure.

 

[UbeAstard]

I know you weren't directing this at me specifically, but I think you've put me in the wrong camp. I'm pro Jose, or rather pro winning no matter the style. I'm absolutely not blaming the team for not scoring more than 4 goals. I'm just saying that our defence is too poor to play the attacking football the Mourinho haters are pining for.

Its much beter to go down like this than how we had been going down recently.

 

[sausage]

Well at least we know our Hugo Lloris hologram isn't an adequate replacement for a human being

 

[fortworthspur]

I know you weren't directing this at me specifically, but I think you've put me in the wrong camp. I'm pro Jose, or rather pro winning no matter the style. I'm absolutely not blaming the team for not scoring more than 4 goals. I'm just saying that our defence is too poor to play the attacking football the Mourinho haters are pining for.

And I disagree. I think if you give any decent opposition midfield that much space between the lines any defense will struggle. It isnt difficult to beat even a great defender with a simple 1-2 if you allow them to run riot behind your CMs. Im not having a go at you either, just saying defense is a team effort.

 

[Steffen]

Its much beter to go down like this this how we had been going down recently.

To each their own. I think it hurts more to lose when we are playing great football.

 

[Zippy1980]

Defence aside that's the first performance I've enjoyed for ages.

Bergwijn, Moura, Lamela, N'Dombele and Son were excellent.

Winks gave away the ball for their 5th, PEH for their 1st and unlucky to give a soft penalty for their 3rd. I think Lloris could have done better with a couple of the shots

Going forward i thought we were really good.

I thought Winks was careless in possession

That Stevie Wonder?

 

[theShiznit]

Just be grateful Winks isn't black tonight

Jermaine Jenas just said, and I quote, “Lamela played reasonably well.”

He really is one of those players that has to play utterly out of his skin for the majority to even notice his existence. Strange.

Not sure what the point of taking him off was right after he'd made that glorious chance for Kane with a delightful flick inside the defence. Our movement suffered when he went off.

 

[shelfboy68]

Well pal, I got news for ya... if that's what you want, I sure as fuck hope you enjoy Championship football... 'cos that's what we'd get playing that way. As our defense and midfield has shown... time and time again, they are barely good enough to play for a bottom of the the table team, let alone a team pretending they are good enough to finish in the top 4.

So, while you may enjoy us losing every game 4-3 or 6-5 or 3-2 or 17-9.... It's still losing. And I fucking hate losing.

And until we fix our midfield and defense, we are what we are... which is an average (at best) mid table team. Everyone needs to just accept that we don't have the type of players they think we do. We are what we were 10 years ago. Mid table mediocrity.

First class facilities second class team

 

[HodisGawd]

I don't like saying this but... Vinny's a bit shit, isn't he. Not much better than that other Vinny guy. Oh well.