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EastLondonYid

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But Liverpool got to the final and won it with a manager who started after poch had started his so called journey.
The team did not perform again as so often has been the case especially in big games and the semi final whilst exciting just temporary masked those problems.

Klopp started just after Poch, but inherited a better squad and spent far more than us.
 

midoshairband

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real crossroads now.

back Poch with serious money - doesn’t have to mean spending the earth, just means giving Poch the players he wants whatever they cost (see Klopp with VVD).

if that doesn’t happen, i dread to think of the outcome. for me, losing Poch is worse than losing almost any of the individual players.
 

worcestersauce

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I am of the belief you learn more from losing games like these than winning. The hurt Poch and the players will feel this morning will carry into next season. Much like Liverpool after last year. This group has always struck me as being hungry to silence the doubters. Okay, it doesn't happen as much as we would like. But we were not totally outplayed last night. With the right investment we will be back up there.
I agree with you but I would like to learn whatever lessons can be learned from winning a game like this too.
Maybe next year.
 

hellava_tough

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Klopp started just after Poch, but inherited a better squad and spent far more than us.

True.

But crucially, Liverpool as a club have a more developed mentality than us; they see themselves as one of the best in Europe and demand nothing less. It's incredibly insufferable for the rest of football fans, but it helps them perform at the highest level.

That's not to say that we can't develop this mentality, but it will take time as this is only our third consecutive (and fourth overall) season in the CL.

However...

Our mentality is changing for the better and it's something Poch constantly talks about. It also helps that we've been to a CL Final now, digging in and getting some great results along the way. We've also got truly world-class facilities, including the best stadium in the world and our revenue streams are getting bigger and bigger.

I really believe that with the right investment this summer, we can be in the final again next season. If we start acting like one of Europe's best, then the trophies will come.
 

Keith Morris

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I think it’s easy and probably a little natural to in some ways to over react this morning. Yes it’s hugely disappointing to lose because despite all the speculation and stories about Liverpool being on a different level, they didn’t turn up. The problem is neither did we really, I do feel the 3 week break and the 30 degree heat ruined the spectacle. But, our squad under Poch has been over achieving year after year, I don’t feel like the team need a kick up the bum as they have over achieved, but it’s clear we are in a revolution/evolution phase and naturally need to move a few on and bring in some quality. Spurs need to decide what they want to be. I believe we have a great infrastructure and exceptional coach, and optimistically think Levy does have a plan and the best interests of the club at heart. It’s easy for us arm chair club owners to get annoyed....I’m certainly one of them...but despite the disappointment I’m proud of the club....not just it’s history but the current phase and potential
 

scat1620

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What do we do now? We make the meaningful investment in the team that we failed to make last summer and progress, or we don't and we regress. Your move, Levy and Poch.
 

riggi

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My point was on how our players mentality will have hopefully changed not the owners.

Poch has made it clear where he stands on where we go as a club here on, do you really believe the club will not back him this window?
I will be shocked if that happened, i think Poch will get their full backing or they will be looking for a new coach .

Did you stay in Cyprus in the end?
 

zepstar

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I think we get excited. The records will show 2019 as the year the club moved into the best stadium in the world and reached the European Cup Final. Things will change this summer. Players will leave and possibly even the manager and the coaching staff too. But, we have a full season playing at home ahead of us. With a new team.

Tottenham will now operate in a different kind of market. Better players will consider us. If Poch goes, we're now a viable option for Allegri, Leonardo.

Leaving the ground yesterday, I looked up at the stadium and realised that the club are only heading in one direction. Let us build.
 

mpickard2087

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You're right and wrong ;)

You're spot-on when talking about leadership and striving for perfection; being switched on and up for it.

But you've also got to remember that title-winning sides aren't created out of thin air.

Usually they take a few seasons to grow and develop, with painful defeats along the way. How many beatings did Fergie's Man Utd take before them became a dominant force at home and in Europe? Even Liverpool lost the final last year, yet here they are again this year.

I'm sure we'll get there in the end; we just need to continue to improve, even if that means inch by inch.

But this isn't a young and inexperienced group any more. Every year they have had an opportunity to learn from tough moments and defeats.

Poch's first season - Lose a Cup final.
2nd - Lose out in a title race, have a total meltdown.
3rd - Lose out in a title race, lose a cup semi final
4th - Lose another cup semi final, get mugged by Juve in the CL when we wobble for 10 mins.
5th - Lose a cup semi final on penalties, lose a cup final

And if you look at the games themselves, it isn't really where the opposition has gone out and played us off the park. Most of the time we tend to freeze and/or have been hitting the self destruct button. Whether that be the meltdown at the Bridge, or conceding soft set piece goals in key games, or conceding the exact same corner goal to Chelsea in two different semi finals, or players losing the ball on the edge of their area and two seconds later it's in our net, or last night where we didn't get a single action right in the first 30 seconds at the start of the game and found ourselves punished.

At some point you just have to stamp it out and get the job done. I'm not sure how many more learning experiences they should need. The same lax, naïve, silly stuff keeps happening at big moments.
 

riggi

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Yes, wasn't ever gonna be ripped off with tickets and once i heard the fan park wouldn't show the game my mind was made up.

Did you have a ticket?

Nah watched it in a bar out here. Had to get into one at about 15:00 otherwise hard too.
 

Nebby

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Buy new fullbacks that can defend and get forward.

Buy a new CM that can pass and retain the ball.

Replace Eriksen.

Buy a proper CF to relive the burden on Kane.

Bring back Gareth Bale.
 

shelfboy68

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Can you honestly say you had your sights set on winning the CL at the start of this season, in reality?

I can’t, and I doubt anyone else on here can either.

Liverpool on the other hand have been focused on it since they lost in Kiev last season.

It doesn’t matter who started their job first, our project and Liverpool’s project are totally different. They’ve learned from their previous downfalls, plugged holes in their squad, been prepared to let star players leave (Suarez, Coutinho), and reinvested the money smartly.

Compare and contrast with Spurs - we’ve spent most of the last two seasons homeless, and we have signed one player in two years.

Reaching the final was a huge overachievement (and I don’t want to hear knee jerk nonsense about how we deserved to be there - yes we deserved to be there, but that doesn’t mean that we didn’t defy all expectations to get there, including our own); now we have to look at what clubs like Liverpool have done over the past few years and learn from it.

I don’t care about the Manchester Cities of the world who are there because of oil money. Liverpool have grafted to be where they are and they’re what we should be trying to emulate now.
Of course no one expected us to be there we over achieved and sadly as often is the case we fall short of delivering.
Considering since February the team fell off the face of the earth luckily they managed to secure top four which is a bonus, but this summer should be interesting in terms of how and where this club are going.
I'm still not convinced that the club will spend enough to compete properly but time will tell on that score I guess it will get harder to stay in the top four with others around us strengthening also.
 

g_harry

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But this isn't a young and inexperienced group any more. Every year they have had an opportunity to learn from tough moments and defeats.

Poch's first season - Lose a Cup final.
2nd - Lose out in a title race, have a total meltdown.
3rd - Lose out in a title race, lose a cup semi final
4th - Lose another cup semi final, get mugged by Juve in the CL when we wobble for 10 mins.
5th - Lose a cup semi final on penalties, lose a cup final

And if you look at the games themselves, it isn't really where the opposition has gone out and played us off the park. Most of the time we tend to freeze and/or have been hitting the self destruct button. Whether that be the meltdown at the Bridge, or conceding soft set piece goals in key games, or conceding the exact same corner goal to Chelsea in two different semi finals, or players losing the ball on the edge of their area and two seconds later it's in our net, or last night where we didn't get a single action right in the first 30 seconds at the start of the game and found ourselves punished.

At some point you just have to stamp it out and get the job done. I'm not sure how many more learning experiences they should need. The same lax, naïve, silly stuff keeps happening at big moments.
Yes you have a point, but i think the other problem is by reaching these finals we have been over achieving. So when you get to major final our players whilst are good there not enough of them world class and ultimately thats the difference in finals. Mane def kicked the ball at Sissokos arm how many of our players would have had the cuteness to think of that.
 

Monkey boy

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But this isn't a young and inexperienced group any more. Every year they have had an opportunity to learn from tough moments and defeats.

Poch's first season - Lose a Cup final.
2nd - Lose out in a title race, have a total meltdown.
3rd - Lose out in a title race, lose a cup semi final
4th - Lose another cup semi final, get mugged by Juve in the CL when we wobble for 10 mins.
5th - Lose a cup semi final on penalties, lose a cup final

And if you look at the games themselves, it isn't really where the opposition has gone out and played us off the park. Most of the time we tend to freeze and/or have been hitting the self destruct button. Whether that be the meltdown at the Bridge, or conceding soft set piece goals in key games, or conceding the exact same corner goal to Chelsea in two different semi finals, or players losing the ball on the edge of their area and two seconds later it's in our net, or last night where we didn't get a single action right in the first 30 seconds at the start of the game and found ourselves punished.

At some point you just have to stamp it out and get the job done. I'm not sure how many more learning experiences they should need. The same lax, naïve, silly stuff keeps happening at big moments.

Great post
 

riggi

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Was it what you expected ,bar result ofc, was the atmosphere like it looked on tv?

Scoucers everywhere. The bar was rammed, couldn’t move. Probably 60% spurs. Good atmosphere in there.

Spurs came out the bars letting off smoke bombs after the final whistle. Good fun.
 

Hotspur33

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I think it’s easy and probably a little natural to in some ways to over react this morning. Yes it’s hugely disappointing to lose because despite all the speculation and stories about Liverpool being on a different level, they didn’t turn up. The problem is neither did we really, I do feel the 3 week break and the 30 degree heat ruined the spectacle. But, our squad under Poch has been over achieving year after year, I don’t feel like the team need a kick up the bum as they have over achieved, but it’s clear we are in a revolution/evolution phase and naturally need to move a few on and bring in some quality. Spurs need to decide what they want to be. I believe we have a great infrastructure and exceptional coach, and optimistically think Levy does have a plan and the best interests of the club at heart. It’s easy for us arm chair club owners to get annoyed....I’m certainly one of them...but despite the disappointment I’m proud of the club....not just it’s history but the current phase and potential
I personally think the penalty so early on ruined the spectacle. Liverpool had a lead and backed themselves to be able to protect it and hit us on the break.
If I had to point to a weakness in our game is that as an attacking outfit, our play has become a bit too formulated and predictable.
 

EastLondonYid

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How far we have come , CL secured and CL runners up, and we feel like its the end of the world.

That's a long way from celebrating drawing at home with the scum whilst they won the title in our back yard.

Lets keep it real.
 
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