Time for the False 9

[beats1]

Soldado isn't working

Ade is in africa

The AM 3 cant keep the ball and don't look comfortable

Kane struggled alot as a striker, the main issues when has been a striker has been that when isolated with the CB's he hasn't won the battle and he always done well in finding the space between the CB's and CM.

The difference between the false 9 and 433 for me, is that the wide guys push up further and Kane would drop in the hole with wide guys attacking the channels

Chadli ---------- Kane --------- Eriksen

Mason ------ Bentaleb
Stambouli

Some sort of fence

Lloris
​

I never brought in to the thought of a formation being a problem(its how you play it imo) however, whatever combination of AM 3 we come up with, it never seems to work

Also Chadli, Kane and Eriksen have all got experience of playing as a false no.9(ramsey use to play kane in it as well). All like that space in front of the back four but could help create that space for one another

Not to mention you have the rotation of the front 3 like we are suppose to see from the AM 3 without leaving the DM/CM exposed half the time

 

[ilikeost]

Sorry for the "doh" rating but I want to tear my hair out as soon as I see someone talk about a "false nine".

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Just waiting for the "When we play with Soldado, we are playing with a False 9" jokes.

 

[beats1]

Sorry for the "doh" rating but I want to tear my hair out as soon as I see someone talk about a "false nine".

It was widely used by us in the youth team when Kane was playing and Obika was out injured

 

[mpickard2087]

Just waiting for the "When we play with Soldado, we are playing with a False 9" jokes.

I wish we could joke about his performances...

 

[tobi]

Replace Soldado with Chadli and things would improve.

 

[ShaunL84]

Chadli is worse than Soldado.
Today Chadli was fresh as a fiddle when he came on and he didn't fancy running, kept on playing it sideways and backwards.

Soldado's link up play is great, He's like Matt Le Tissier but without the goals.

 

[tototoner]

Seems to me we have a lot of false players

 

[Deleted member 22380]

Soldado isn't working

Ade is in africa

The AM 3 cant keep the ball and don't look comfortable

Kane struggled alot as a striker, the main issues when has been a striker has been that when isolated with the CB's he hasn't won the battle and he always done well in finding the space between the CB's and CM.

The difference between the false 9 and 433 for me, is that the wide guys push up further and Kane would drop in the hole with wide guys attacking the channels

Chadli ---------- Kane --------- Eriksen

Mason ------ Bentaleb
Stambouli

Some sort of fence

Lloris
​

I never brought in to the thought of a formation being a problem(its how you play it imo) however, whatever combination of AM 3 we come up with, it never seems to work

Also Chadli, Kane and Eriksen have all got experience of playing as a false no.9(ramsey use to play kane in it as well). All like that space in front of the back four but could help create that space for one another

Not to mention you have the rotation of the front 3 like we are suppose to see from the AM 3 without leaving the DM/CM exposed half the time

That formation is not really a false 9 formation, more of a 4-3-3.

A false 9 looks like a 4-2-2-2, with the front two playing as wingers.

Something like:

-----------------Lloris-----------------
Walker-Fazio-Vertonghen-Davies
---------Mason-Bentaleb--------
-----------Kane-Eriksen-------------
Lamela-------------------------Chadli

Kane & Eriksen making runs from midfield into the false 9

 

[jamesc0le]

DEMBELE is that man you seek.

 

[scat1620]

Any XI that doesn't include Soldado is worthy of consideration.

 

[SlickMongoose]

Can we sign the 1974 version of Johan Cruyff first? Then i'd be all for this.

 

[Syn_13]

Okay, I'm not really that clued up about this whole "false 9" business, but I thought that's what we're playing now? I'm not actually trying to make a quip about Soldado. When the two play together, Kane tends to be the threatening one making the runs whilst Soldado, who is meant to be the number 9, is dropping out of position.

 

[dagraham]

Whatever we do, a formation that ends up with Eriksen on the right (even if the front 3 are fluid that's where he will end up most of the time) is completely wasting our best player.

Eriksen should stay drifting in off the left. He's hard to pick up and gets in good goalscoring positions there.

Keep Lennon on the right and Kane as a deep lying striker.

We then just need to buy a number 9 worthy of the name. Put a big bid in for Bony or Benteke imo.

 

[SpurSince57]

Chadli is worse than Soldado.
Today Chadli was fresh as a fiddle when he came on and he didn't fancy running, kept on playing it sideways and backwards.

Soldado's link up play is great, He's like Matt Le Tissier but without the goals.

Substitute Wee Jimmy Krankie for le Tissier and you'll have it exactly.

 

[SpurSince57]

DEMBELE is that man you seek.

All together, now!

'Won't you come home, Dembélé, won't you come home?'

Do you think we ought to get Daws back from Hull to play DM?

 

[Borks]

Whatever we do, a formation that ends up with Eriksen on the right (even if the front 3 are fluid that's where he will end up most of the time) is completely wasting our best player.

Eriksen should stay drifting in off the left. He's hard to pick up and gets in good goalscoring positions there.

Keep Lennon on the right and Kane as a deep lying striker.

We then just need to buy a number 9 worthy of the name. Put a big bid in for Bony or Benteke imo.

Why would playing Eriksen on the right waste Ade?

 

[beats1]

That formation is not really a false 9 formation, more of a 4-3-3.

A false 9 looks like a 4-2-2-2, with the front two playing as wingers.

Something like:

-----------------Lloris-----------------
Walker-Fazio-Vertonghen-Davies
---------Mason-Bentaleb--------
-----------Kane-Eriksen-------------
Lamela-------------------------Chadli

Kane & Eriksen making runs from midfield into the false 9

Kane today was a striker and not a number 10 in the first half but kane wouldnt be that deep Imo

Okay, I'm not really that clued up about this whole "false 9" business, but I thought that's what we're playing now? I'm not actually trying to make a quip about Soldado. When the two play together, Kane tends to be the threatening one making the runs whilst Soldado, who is meant to be the number 9, is dropping out of position.

today we played more of a 4222 in the first half. For the false 9 to work the wingers got to push the winger high

People think false nine is a fancy new gimmick, it isn't Arthur Rowe used the false 9 when he was a coach in the 30's and the hungarians adopted it in 40's and used it in 50's when they thrashed England in the 50's and was considered widely the best team in the world

Now my point is that this isn't just a new flavour of the month tactic that is being used because barca used it. Kane was playing as a false 9 before it became a flavour of the month iirc

 

[idontgetit]

Soldado isn't working

Ade is in africa

The AM 3 cant keep the ball and don't look comfortable

Kane struggled alot as a striker, the main issues when has been a striker has been that when isolated with the CB's he hasn't won the battle and he always done well in finding the space between the CB's and CM.

The difference between the false 9 and 433 for me, is that the wide guys push up further and Kane would drop in the hole with wide guys attacking the channels

Chadli ---------- Kane --------- Eriksen

Mason ------ Bentaleb
Stambouli

Some sort of fence

Lloris
​

I never brought in to the thought of a formation being a problem(its how you play it imo) however, whatever combination of AM 3 we come up with, it never seems to work

Also Chadli, Kane and Eriksen have all got experience of playing as a false no.9(ramsey use to play kane in it as well). All like that space in front of the back four but could help create that space for one another

Not to mention you have the rotation of the front 3 like we are suppose to see from the AM 3 without leaving the DM/CM exposed half the time

This is the exact formation we need although I'd just call it a real 4-3-3. It solves two of our biggest problems which is a lack of movement on the opposition backline when we're on the ball and it stops the 'wide' players getting caught in no mans land when pressing off the ball.

Looking at our pressing first, the 4-2-3-1 set up isn't helping. The 'wide' forwards are generally covering an area fairly narrow and short of the oppo back four. With only two central midfielders these wide forwards can't really press too high up the pitch without leaving us vulnerable. This means that they aren't really pressing the opposition fullbacks or even cutting out the pass from fullback to winger. Kane and Soldado press the cb's and keeper but there's always an easy out ball to the fullback and the full back only the has to make a simple pass down the wing to get their winger in a one on one with our fullback. It's why we look so vulnerable at times against very basic opposition, a 10 year old can make those passes. So the opposition can skip our press and get down our flanks easy. The next issue is we don't have a dedicated CDM. Sure Bentaleb assumes the role but he's not dedicated to it, he has other duties that come with playing in a 2 man midfield. It means there's often space between our CM's and CB's for oppo strikers to take up space and lay balls off. There's also no one to help the cb's track runners in to the box and cut out crosses.

Attacking wise it's all been said before, we're too congested in the channel. We don't stretch teams and the movement is obvious and predictable. Play 4-3-3 and the extra man in midfield frees up the wide forwards to actually play off of the striker, instead of poncing around short in front of the oppo back four. There'll be a lot more runs behind the back four for the likes of Mason to pick out with throughballs. There's also going to be a lot more of those difficult to to track runs from deep by the likes of Mason. Kane will drop short and lay the ball off for the midfield runner coming through. It's far harder to defend against than simply having to mark a striker who's stuck to hanging around a certain spot.

But we won't do it. We never do. So for the sake of your mental sanity just give up on the idea

 

[Shadydan]

Chadli is worse than Soldado.
Today Chadli was fresh as a fiddle when he came on and he didn't fancy running, kept on playing it sideways and backwards.

Soldado's link up play is great, He's like Matt Le Tissier but without the goals.

And you wonder why your mrs isn't giving it up ffs