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Bus-Conductor

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Look, we all know that some academy players have had a sniff of first team action, and whilst Yankspurs claim about Winks might be a bit wrong, it's no more daft than the notion put forward by Paolo10 that there's a "clear path to the first team" when the reality is it's more like one of those paths that Indiana Jones used to have to clamber and scrabble for dear life through with holes with spikes to fall onto, snake pits, spiders falling on heads and fucking great big boulders continually rolling their way and blocking progress.

Three years after jettisoning Mason and Bentaleb and after three years of Onomah sitting on our bench without ever having a single minute of football in CM, we end up watching fucking Sissoko trundle around our midfield like a demolition ball or Dier bore us to death. Three years of training with the first team and KWP still has to get past a bloke who can't even take a throw in or cross a ball.

The very bottom line is, we've seen one player from our academy establish any kind of place in our team, and even then it took Poch a few months to bring him back in after Sherwood Gump had already got him going. And this wouldn't be so bad if we weren't buying players like Sissoko, Aurier, Njie, Nkoudou, Moura for nearly 100m, but we are.
 

Hengy1

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Look, we all know that some academy players have had a sniff of first team action, and whilst Yankspurs claim about Winks might be a bit wrong, it's no more daft than the notion put forward by Paolo10 that there's a "clear path to the first team" when the reality is it's more like one of those paths that Indiana Jones used to have to clamber and scrabble for dear life through with holes with spikes to fall onto, snake pits, spiders falling on heads and fucking great big boulders continually rolling their way and blocking progress.

Three years after jettisoning Mason and Bentaleb and after three years of Onomah sitting on our bench without ever having a single minute of football in CM, we end up watching fucking Sissoko trundle around our midfield like a demolition ball or Dier bore us to death. Three years of training with the first team and KWP still has to get past a bloke who can't even take a throw in or cross a ball.

The very bottom line is, we've seen one player from our academy establish any kind of place in our team, and even then it took Poch a few months to bring him back in after Sherwood Gump had already got him going. And this wouldn't be so bad if we weren't buying players like Sissoko, Aurier, Njie, Nkoudou, Moura for nearly 100m, but we are.
must have missed his peach of a cross yesterday

Edit: how you’ve put moura in with that lot is quite astonishing
 

yankspurs

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Look, we all know that some academy players have had a sniff of first team action, and whilst Yankspurs claim about Winks might be a bit wrong, it's no more daft than the notion put forward by Paolo10 that there's a "clear path to the first team" when the reality is it's more like one of those paths that Indiana Jones used to have to clamber and scrabble for dear life through with holes with spikes to fall onto, snake pits, spiders falling on heads and fucking great big boulders continually rolling their way and blocking progress.

Three years after jettisoning Mason and Bentaleb and after three years of Onomah sitting on our bench without ever having a single minute of football in CM, we end up watching fucking Sissoko trundle around our midfield like a demolition ball or Dier bore us to death. Three years of training with the first team and KWP still has to get past a bloke who can't even take a throw in or cross a ball.

The very bottom line is, we've seen one player from our academy establish any kind of place in our team, and even then it took Poch a few months to bring him back in after Sherwood Gump had already got him going. And this wouldn't be so bad if we weren't buying players like Sissoko, Aurier, Njie, Nkoudou, Moura for nearly 100m, but we are.
My claim isnt wrong. He came through before Poch really got started in his process here. And my other claim about there not being a first team path is not wrong either.
 

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Bollocks there isn't, U-18, play up at U-23/PL2/EFL Cup, out on loan at a club from League 2 - EPL dependent on ability and then try and force your way into the 1st team squad. If you're especially talented with the right attitude, you can skip loans and get into the squad a la Winks and to a lesser extent obviously KWP.

Players can be night and day from 17-22, the most gifted often end up not making it at the highest grade and it's not to do with coaching and opportunity...it's to do with the player.

Some of these kids now have had agents since 9, that kind of thing is crazy and when they start to believe their own hype, it often doesn't work out. Fuck, we've had enough outrageously talented players who have squandered their chance.

This argument that if your good enough you will get rewarded is no longer viable. KWP did everything right. No silly bollocks, no hype, head down and worked hard, won a WC. Took his chance with aplomb at Newcastle, so then had a 25m international fuckwit with a history of being a dickhead off the pitch, put in front of him, despite us already having a good RB here as well. He wasn't even trusted to be back up.

Onomah comes back from winning the World Cup, again, never been a problem, always applied himself, doesn't even get a game in pre -season friendlies in CM.

Pritchard absolutely smashed his season on loan in the championship, made the Championship team of the season, I think Brentford (who had the best season for about 70 years) voted him their player of the season, yet he couldn't get a minute for Poch, gets packed off on a "teach him a lesson" loan and ended up having to leave whilst we watch Njie and Nkoudou fuck about.

When Pochettino would rather panic and spend big money for, at best, ordinary players (or in Sissoko's case very bad ones), that's not creating a path, it's blocking it.
 
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THFCSPURS19

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Look, we all know that some academy players have had a sniff of first team action, and whilst Yankspurs claim about Winks might be a bit wrong, it's no more daft than the notion put forward by Paolo10 that there's a "clear path to the first team" when the reality is it's more like one of those paths that Indiana Jones used to have to clamber and scrabble for dear life through with holes with spikes to fall onto, snake pits, spiders falling on heads and fucking great big boulders continually rolling their way and blocking progress.

Three years after jettisoning Mason and Bentaleb and after three years of Onomah sitting on our bench without ever having a single minute of football in CM, we end up watching fucking Sissoko trundle around our midfield like a demolition ball or Dier bore us to death. Three years of training with the first team and KWP still has to get past a bloke who can't even take a throw in or cross a ball.

The very bottom line is, we've seen one player from our academy establish any kind of place in our team, and even then it took Poch a few months to bring him back in after Sherwood Gump had already got him going. And this wouldn't be so bad if we weren't buying players like Sissoko, Aurier, Njie, Nkoudou, Moura for nearly 100m, but we are.
Who exactly from the academy should be playing instead of Moura for us? No idea why you've lumped him in with the rest of them when he's been very promising for us. Do you want Oduwa back?
 

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Who exactly from the academy should be playing instead of Moura for us? No idea why you've lumped him in with the rest of them when he's been very promising for us. Do you want Oduwa back?

No, but what path does a player like Edwards see before him when pretty ordinary players like Moura are being added to Nkoudou and whoever else is already ahead of those two who can't get starts for us.

I know players who dribble get an oooh, and he's got some ability, but Moura's not going to propel us to the next level. He's just a deluxe Aaron Lennon.
 

nicdic

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No, but what path does a player like Edwards see before him when pretty ordinary players like Moura are being added to Nkoudou and whoever else is already ahead of those two who can't get starts for us.

I know players who dribble get an oooh, and he's got some ability, but Moura's not going to propel us to the next level. He's just a deluxe Aaron Lennon.
Maybe Edwards should concentrate on turning up on time etc. before worrying about whether he has a pathway or not. This is ridiculous.
KWP and Onomah still have plenty of time, I get the frustration but it was KWPs first season with the first team properly last year. Onomah is more frustrating, but hopefully he'll be properly integrated this year.
 

Locotoro

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No, but what path does a player like Edwards see before him when pretty ordinary players like Moura are being added to Nkoudou and whoever else is already ahead of those two who can't get starts for us.

I know players who dribble get an oooh, and he's got some ability, but Moura's not going to propel us to the next level. He's just a deluxe Aaron Lennon.

Wow, just wow.

Lucas Moura, Brazilian International with 36 caps, first choice winger for PSG for 4 years, winner of Olympic silver medal, 4 Ligue 1 titles, 12 cups, 1 continental cup and an international cup, with a career scoring average of just under 1 goal in 4 from the wing at the age of 25.....is just a deluxe Aaron Lennon......
 

Paolo10

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I've been ignoring BC for a long time now, but I figured out some posts were missing. What exactly has Edwards done to deserve a place in the 1st team?

Maybe the unsuccessful loan when his professionalism was questioned has a lot to do with where he's at compared to the undoubted level of his talent.

It seems he's been given plenty of opportunities to sort himself out.
 

THFCSPURS19

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No, but what path does a player like Edwards see before him when pretty ordinary players like Moura are being added to Nkoudou and whoever else is already ahead of those two who can't get starts for us.

I know players who dribble get an oooh, and he's got some ability, but Moura's not going to propel us to the next level. He's just a deluxe Aaron Lennon.
Ok, but Edwards would definitely propel us to next level, eh?. He can't even turn up to training on time once at a Championship club ffs.

And besides, Lucas has already shown far more intelligence and shooting ability than Lennon did.
 

King of Otters

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No, but what path does a player like Edwards see before him when pretty ordinary players like Moura are being added to Nkoudou and whoever else is already ahead of those two who can't get starts for us.

I know players who dribble get an oooh, and he's got some ability, but Moura's not going to propel us to the next level. He's just a deluxe Aaron Lennon.

If Lucas is a 'deluxe Aaron Lennon', you're increasingly becoming a Pound Shop Piers Morgan, invalidating reasonable points of view by being needlessly inflammatory.
 

Frasier

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Because winks came through before Poch really got started here. Where we are now has Poch afraid to bring through an academy player and trust them.
I disagree, there is a route but because the gap in the league to city is too big, chances for the kids are hard to come by hence why they only play in the cups.
 

Dangerous_Clive

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No, but what path does a player like Edwards see before him when pretty ordinary players like Moura are being added to Nkoudou and whoever else is already ahead of those two who can't get starts for us.

I know players who dribble get an oooh, and he's got some ability, but Moura's not going to propel us to the next level. He's just a deluxe Aaron Lennon.

You’re a deluxe coys200
 

beats1

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I dont know why people are getting their knickers in a twist over Moura whilst I dont think its fair to lump him in with Sissoko and etc he hasnt been a good signing yet especially if we sign another attacking player

He was a pointless signing last season as he hardly played, I only say pointless, as I think we could have signed him in the summer and it wouldn't have made a difference. It probably been better PR for the club had we signed him now.

I hope Poch actually plays him this season when all our first team is fit and when we make another attacking signing, of course there is the argument to say he wasnt fit last season.

Also the person who said he 36 caps for brazil, you're not helping your case with that argument as Paulinho has over 50 caps for brazil
If Lucas is a 'deluxe Aaron Lennon', you're increasingly becoming a Pound Shop Piers Morgan, invalidating reasonable points of view by being needlessly inflammatory.
Calling someone a deluxe Aaron Lennon is a compliment imo especially for your 5 or 6 option on the bench. Aaron Lennon was a big player for us, he wasnt bad at all. I miss his directness and width at times
 

beats1

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And besides, Lucas has already shown far more intelligence and shooting ability than Lennon did.
You guys are disrespectful to lennon including BC, before his injury in 2010, he was a huge player for us. He wasnt stupid or as bad as people make out.

He went shit in 2010 imo, as he didnt have his explosiveness. During the berbatov years, he played a huge part in our success and even us getting in to the CL and being in the CL
 
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faze_coys

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I dont know why people are getting their knickers in a twist over Moura whilst I dont think its fair to lump him in with Sissoko and etc he hasnt been a good signing yet especially if we sign another attacking player

He was a pointless signing last season as he hardly played, I only say pointless, as I think we could have signed him in the summer and it wouldn't have made a difference. It probably been better PR for the club had we signed him now.

I hope Poch actually plays him this season when all our first team is fit and when we make another attacking signing, of course there is the argument to say he wasnt fit last season.

Also the person who said he 36 caps for brazil, you're not helping your case with that argument as Paulinho has over 50 caps for brazil

Calling someone a deluxe Aaron Lennon is a compliment imo especially for your 5 or 6 option on the bench. Aaron Lennon was a big player for us, he wasnt bad at all. I miss his directness and width at times

Buying foreign players in january to bed them in is much better than summer. Lucas has had 6 months to get to know the squad, our training regimes whilst getting a feel for the pace of the premier league without having the pressure to come straight in and make a difference.
 

werty

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What the general consensus on the type of player Amos is from the regular watchers?

Played well last night until he/we started to get tired.
 

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Ok, but Edwards would definitely propel us to next level, eh?. He can't even turn up to training on time once at a Championship club ffs.

And besides, Lucas has already shown far more intelligence and shooting ability than Lennon did.

No, there's no certainty at all that Edwards would, it's a very slim chance, but slim is better than none.
 
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