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mike_l

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Mourinho is short term and tends to be cancerous.

Pochettinho is our magic man. He will get it right
As opposed to Poch who's so lovable half of our established players want to leave and our home grown star striker is all over the press criticising the team and lamenting how we haven't progressed in 5 years? I'll take the cancer that brings a few trophies and dour football over the cancer that brings nothing and dour football ta...
 

Phomesy

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Have we gone off the rails since he didn’t get the Man Utd job. Seems to be pretty coincidental. Not that we were setting the world on fire before then.
You mean when we were 2 points from top after zero signings; and still in every Cup competition. You mean that "not setting the world on fire" period of our form?

Are people losing their frigging memories now? Is that where we are at? It's not enough to point to our league form since February but we have to make up fake news about what came before?

What's going on?
 

ComfortablyNumb

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Okay as you can't be bothered (or actually have no argument and just want to troll) I will say why its not bollocks.

Imagine we end the season 5th with no trophies.

Scenario 1 - Poch leaves or is asked to leave. We will no longer be able to attract the Allegris or Mourinhos, for some that's fine. But do we go down the Eddie Howe route who is a fine coach but not a winner? The next step for us is to win stuff. Secondly the likes of Kane, Alli and whoever else think "Howe? I want to win something. I want a proven winner otherwise I'll go elsewhere and find one". Also those out of contract will definitely leave. Definitely.

Scenario 2 - Poch stays, the players out of contract leave anyway as they are tired of the regime and want something new. Kane, as much as he loves Poch, starts to wonder if he'll win anything at the club as he's 27 and approaching 30. Okay, he may not go but its the start of his doubts. Alli is probably prepared to stay longer as he's younger but he's probably thinking of another destination.

Either way, we are in a scenario where a large amount of big players are leaving or are having doubts. We are likely going to need another mass repair job which will set us back another couple of years.

Or

Either Poch turns this around, gets players back on side and we get CL comfortably, win something and look forward instead of looking unsettled. Or, should Poch not turn this around, another coach comes in, breathes new energy and gets the players believing they can win stuff again.

Anything other than those last two options will set us back even further and it'll be harder to get back this time.
Which of those options is us 'staring disaster in the face'?
 

rossdapep

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why does the January to May results count. They are history now, and don't have any meaning to what might happen this season.
Because it could mean the manager has lost the belief of his players. A poor downturn in form over a long period of time can be an indicator.

We need to wait and see if the form from Feb-may was down to injuries and tiredness (like we thought) or something much worse.
 

Phomesy

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I agree. I'm worried about where we are heading but our last three league performances have been positive in aspects, cant criticise that and it's certainly not AVB era. Defensively worrying though.

Results have been shite but performances have been steadily improving as far as I can tell.

That might not last though.
 

mike_l

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Not to mention a toxic manager such as Mou is HARDLY what a mentally weak side such as us need. This squad needs a hard reboot. We’re far from good enough anymore. Sadly, that requires investment in the team. Something which ENIC outright refuses to do.
Are you genuinely stupid? Do you really think our squad is full of poor players and needs masses of investment? Basically you just want Poch to be able to become the cheque book manager that so many criticise Mourinho and Guardiola for being.

If he can't coach better performances than this out of what IS the third best squad in the league then he is the problem, you change one person, not the 25 working for him.

And if you DO believe that the squad is rubbish, then you've swallowed his bullshit far too readily.

FFS the guy is questioning if this is his strongest squad since he's been here, well who bloody well oversaw it's construction??? Really glad that financial backing he got this summer was money well spent!
 

rossdapep

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have we had itk?
Valyid said last month that time was ticking and he had lost the dressing room.

That was before the talks so Poch may have got everyone back on side again.

Trix posted today that some senior players are getting frustrated with the constant change in tactics and are unmotivated.

Herc said he thinks Howe will be the option should Poch go.
 

WannaDanceWithUdogie

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Valyid said last month that time was ticking and he had lost the dressing room.

That was before the talks so Poch may have got everyone back on side again.

Trix posted today that some senior players are getting frustrated with the constant change in tactics and are unmotivated.

Herc said he thinks Howe will be the option should Poch go.
Thanks. I would much rather keep poch than Howe I think.
 

JAYSTAR

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Howe cannot take us higher than Poch has. The senior players need someone they respect. Someone who has a winning pedigree.
 

yankspurs

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Are you genuinely stupid? Do you really think our squad is full of poor players and needs masses of investment? Basically you just want Poch to be able to become the cheque book manager that so many criticise Mourinho and Guardiola for being.

If he can't coach better performances than this out of what IS the third best squad in the league then he is the problem, you change one person, not the 25 working for him.

And if you DO believe that the squad is rubbish, then you've swallowed his bullshit far too readily.

FFS the guy is questioning if this is his strongest squad since he's been here, well who bloody well oversaw it's construction??? Really glad that financial backing he got this summer was money well spent!
Do you really think this squad is good enough? I certainly dont. We need a new back 4, and a new midfield. Toby/Jan are very much past it. Sissoko and Winks is not a good enough CM 2. Rose is past it. We need an RB. That long, hard rebuild Poch was talking about before this summer was DESPERATELY needed. It will be a miracle to get top 4 out of this season. Our spine just isnt good enough.
 
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CarrickSpurgus

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How the fuck have we come to this? Mouriniho really ? 6 months to a year ago we were all on here castigating him and the fact that he had dragged man Utd into mid table mediocrity .We now see him as the saviour , the messiah that spurs need to not only stop this maliase but to transport us to a multiple trophy winning side? You know what , fuck it lets do it and see where we are in 3 years time, who knows maybe we're sitting here with a few trophies or will we still be here with poch spouting the same incoherent shit in pressers, moaning about his odd team selections and the mental subs that he makes but not no never before the 60th minute.Guess what I'm trying to say is I'm fed up with what we currently have,we deserve so much better.
 

Primativ

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Do you think this squad is good enough? I certainly dont. That long, hard rebuild Poch was talking about before this summer was DESPERATELY needed.


How can you look at the squad and say it’s not good enough? ??‍♂️ It’s easily third best in the league. You’re just trying to invent excuses why Poch is failing at his job.

To be frank, Poch’s won absolutely zero trophies, and are we sure he’s the man to be leading the rebuild when he flirts with United and Madrid every 6 months and our form and results have tanked for a year now.

If Poch thought we could just sell half the old squad and sign 10 new players to give him a rebuild he’s naive.
 

THFC_SWE

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Do you think this squad is good enough? I certainly dont. That long, hard rebuild Poch was talking about before this summer was DESPERATELY needed.

It depends on what you mean by good enough? Good enough to challenge Man City or Liverpool? Then the answer is no.

Is the squad good enough to get better results than 4-5-9 in the latest 18 league games? Of course it is. We should do better, much better.
 

ziggy

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What happened to Wanyama is sad to see. He was incredible for us when he first joined. Injuries have done for him and he’s not even 50% of the player he was. Such a shame but...it’s a ruthless cut throat game and he shouldn’t be near a premier league game for us thesedays unless we are down to bare bones.
Bit like sandro in years past, sad to see
 

Primativ

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Do you really think this squad is good enough? I certainly dont. We need a new back 4, and a new midfield. Toby/Jan are very much past it. Sissoko and Winks is not a good enough CM 2. Rose is past it. We need an RB. That long, hard rebuild Poch was talking about before this summer was DESPERATELY needed. It will be a miracle to get top 4 out of this season. Our spine just isnt good enough.

I agree with some of those points re players but look at our results over the last 9 months and performances, absolutely shocking
 

yankspurs

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It depends on what you mean by good enough? Good enough to challenge Man City or Liverpool? Then the answer is no.

Is the squad good enough to get better results than 4-5-9 in the latest 18 league games? Of course it is. We should do better, much better.
This team is stale. It feels stale. It’s just run its course. Sad to say but it has. That reboot was needed. It was the only way to make up for 18 months with 0 new players to freshen things up. Levy fucked it.

if we are the 3rd best team still, thats because United, Chelsea and Arsenal are still shit.
 

Lighty64

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Because it could mean the manager has lost the belief of his players. A poor downturn in form over a long period of time can be an indicator.

We need to wait and see if the form from Feb-may was down to injuries and tiredness (like we thought) or something much worse.

I put it down to having a squad weakened with injuries from January to May, and hadn't had a proper rest for 2 seasons. the players were knackered and playing with knocks, and the thing that amazes me is it really only took it's toll on us in away matches.

this season we still haven't been able to field our strongest XI, 2 of our 3 signings haven't had the chance to bed in, and we have had 3 very tough away matches. Poch might have selected Rose v Arsenal, but he didn't instruct him to perform a suicidal pass that lead to the Arsenal goal just before half time.

the game today was a tough away game, I think he should have brought Dier on instead of Wanyama, but understand that challenges were going in, and it was safer to sub Sissoko off. the 2 goals we conceded today weren't due to massive errors, and Leicester are a good team under Rodgers. on another day the whatever part of Son that was meant to be offside won't be called, or Demari Gray sees a red card, and they struggle.

the only game I'm really annoyed with was Newcastle, we struggled to break down a brick wall, and conceded a bad goal, but at the time it wasn't Poch fault, it was Sanchez and Rose. it was up to him to try and get them to perform better in the 2nd half, but obviously the players failed in their efforts.

the only thing I do agree with is the diamond is not working, and perhaps because of the Dier and Wanyama fitness issues, Poch doesn't have the tools to go back to what he made us look good playing with for those 2 seasons.
 
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