Son Kane Bale

[WiganSpur]

Very glad Son is back after the internationals and that it's not too serious. Was very worried we might not see SKB this season.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

the people that dislike Lamela I would bet they love The ginola flashy type player all flash no substance .
Lamela has always played giving his all you cannot ask for more .

Woah. No need to denigrate the one player who made his time at the club worth watching just to make a point about Lamela. It is possible to appreciate both you know, and Ginola put it on an absolute plate fire our striker constantly for the years, not his fault he was servicing a knackered Ferdinand, a broken Armstrong and a forever unfit Iversen.

 

[WiganSpur]

Defenders won’t k ow how to Deal with Kane, Son and Bale .. last night Kane on for 20 mins changed the dynamics with the defenders, imagine how chaotic it would be with Bale in the mix of Son and Kane too!

With GLC and Ndombele behind them we'll be extremely dangerous. Set up narrow against us and you allow quality crosses from Doherty, Aurier, Reguilon into Kane and Bale. Set up wide to stop Son and Bale / the wing backs then there's acres for GLC and Tanguy to thread through balls to. Now Tanguy has shown good work rate recently there's even a case to play this against park the bus teams:

Lloris
Dier -- Sanchez -- Toby
Doherty ---- Ndombele ---- GLC ---- Reguilon
Bale ------ Son
Kane

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If I was an opposition coach i'd find that extremely hard to deal with. Like I said, leave space for dangerous crosses or leave space for precise through balls. It's got everything, creativity, runners, long shots, set pieces.

 

[swarvsta]

Very glad Son is back after the internationals and that it's not too serious. Was very worried we might not see SKB this season.

Really? This season?! Just because Sonny had a hamstring niggle a few games into the season?

You must have one hell of a pessimistic attitude to life!

 

[WiganSpur]

Really? This season?! Just because Sonny had a hamstring niggle a few games into the season?

You must have one hell of a pessimistic attitude to life!

Well, Bale and Kane certainly have questionable injury records. Bringing in a back up striker will definitely help to get SKB on the pitch more which will win us games.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

Ginola had no substance? Did I read that correctly?

Nah because I knew you'd be fake happy/absolutely fuming when he scored, which means you'd have to come back to this thread and try and save face.

Why would I not just be happy a player scored to help the team? I can still do that and not pretend he's anything better than an average player.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Ginola had no substance? Did I read that correctly?

The words of someone with too much substance..

 

[Stamford]

the people that dislike Lamela I would bet they love The ginola flashy type player all flash no substance .
Lamela has always played giving his all you cannot ask for more .

How did Ginola have no substance? Ginola was definitely lazy but he had substance for sure and was the only bright spark

 

[Shadydan]

Ginola had no substance? Did I read that correctly?



Why would I not just be happy a player scored to help the team? I can still do that and not pretend he's anything better than an average player.

Yeah but the argument was never about Lamela being world class or even exceptional which you’ve seem to make it into, it was about him being dependable and effective off the bench and being a team player and loyal which you scoffed at. I don’t think anyone would have an issue with you thinking he’s average that’s your opinion, it’s more of your dismissive attitude towards our players from our own fans so when they score and/or play well I'll always find it funny because I’m childish like that.

Don't take it so personally

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

It's not about being world-class. It’s about being a reliably good option whether starting or coming off the bench. And by good, I mean having and displaying actual footballing qualities relative to one’s position. This isn’t the case with Lamela 90% of the time though, even though he’s had PLENTY of time and opportunity to improve and develop, so instead we focus on and over-emphasise soft-skills like loyalty and tenacity.

I can say all that and still appreciate that he was key against Chelsea.

 

[Shadydan]

It's not about being world-class. It’s about being a reliably good option whether starting or coming off the bench. And by good, I mean having and displaying actual footballing qualities relative to one’s position. This isn’t the case with Lamela 90% of the time though, even though he’s had PLENTY of time and opportunity to improve and develop, so instead we focus on and over-emphasise soft-skills like loyalty and tenacity.

I can say all that and still appreciate that he was key against Chelsea.

If that was indeed the case then he wouldn't be still at the club, tell me why Poch was happy to keep him around and now Jose despite his relatively low output? Maybe it's to do with his attitude and his effect on the team when he's on the pitch... you can make the same argument for someone like Willian for example who rarely ever posted good numbers (until last season) but he lasted 7 years in that Chelsea team because of his off the ball effectiveness, pressing, tracking back, it's incredibly hard to quantify his effect on the team but it's clearly infectious which makes him a really good squad player.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

So yet more "intangibles", as I've said. I'm sure he's a lovely guy, and it's great that his coaches love him, but for ME (and I speak only for myself, although I'm far from the only one) he doesn't do nearly enough where it actually matters. It's not about just raw numbers either. The afore-mentioned Ginola (to name just one example) had awful numbers on paper, but he is clearly one of the best players Tottenham have had over the last 35 years I've been watching them. Lamela has awful numbers and isn't very good.

Let's look at it this way. If we had had a crystal ball to be able to look 7 years into the future, would there have been as much excitement in here as there was in August/September 2013 when he was about to sign? I doubt it.

 

[thehipster]

Hey guys.
I don’t post on here too often...so not sure what’s been discussed before.

But how easily will Gareth Bale fit into our system?
Will he buy-in to Jose’s way?
Will he leave others to track back?
Or has he got an appetite to defend?
What was he like at Real tracking back?

Obviously Jose is building a hard working squad where every player commits to the cause.
I‘m not disputing Gareth’s ability going forward.
But curious to know how you guys think he will go in defence.
And close players down around half way.

 

[Shadydan]

Genuinely an 70 goal season in all comps with these three, gonna be fun watching them.

any discussion of 70 goal hauls from the trio borderline delusional

11 down 59 to go - potentially over 55 matches to play, lol you sure you don't want to take this back

 

[Sarsipius]

I'm still jizzing at the prospect.

N'Dombele threading inch-perfect through-balls. Doherty whipping quality crosses in from the right. Reguiling adding some cut and thrust on the left.

It's going to be fucking epic.

 

[SUIYHA]

11 down 59 to go - potentially over 55 matches to play, lol you sure you don't want to take this back

My point was about the respective injury records making it very unlikely......and two thirds of the trio are currently injured. Great to see us scoring a lot of goals at the moment but history says it'll be very tough to keep it going at the same rate.

 

[Shadydan]

My point was about the respective injury records making it very unlikely......and two thirds of the trio are currently injured. Great to see us scoring a lot of goals at the moment but history says it'll be very tough to keep it going at the same rate.

Very tough? We haven't even seen Bale yet and they're averaging around 1.6 gpg, it's very likely they are breaking that 70 goal mark. Despite the fact we're missing 2 of them at the moment. Last 3 seasons they averaged just over 60 goals despite the freak injuries for Kane and Bale not being picked for Real.

No need to double down, just enjoy

 

[SUIYHA]

Very tough? We haven't even seen Bale yet and they're averaging around 1.6 gpg, it's very likely they are breaking that 70 goal mark. Despite the fact we're missing 2 of them at the moment. Last 3 seasons they averaged just over 60 goals despite the freak injuries for Kane and Bale not being picked for Real.

No need to double down, just enjoy

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's only been one season ever where the trio have broken the 70 goal barrier between them. But hey, 1.6 gpg so far? Well that's great! All we need to do is make sure that half our games are Europa League qualifiers for the rest of the season and then even with Kane and Bale's injury records they should get there in no time.

 

[Shadydan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's only been one season ever where the trio have broken the 70 goal barrier between them. But hey, 1.6 gpg so far? Well that's great! All we need to do is make sure that half our games are Europa League qualifiers for the rest of the season and then even with Kane and Bale's injury records they should get there in no time.

Maybe so but I think I prefer to take the last few seasons as their general recent form not some arbitrary season which you pick and choose just so it aligns with your point.

Well yeah that was indeed the point, taking Europa League qualifying matches into account hence why I said in all competitions and even if you want to dismiss them so much and only count the league (because I'm trying to help you out here for your sake) at the moment the are averaging 52 league goal across the season lol Obviously that will fluctaue but I think it's pretty delusional to suggest that they won't reach that feat.

 

[SUIYHA]

Maybe so but I think I prefer to take the last few seasons as their general recent form not some arbitrary season which you pick and choose just so it aligns with your point.

Well yeah that was indeed the point, taking Europa League qualifying matches into account hence why I said in all competitions and even if you want to dismiss them so much and only count the league (because I'm trying to help you out here for your sake) at the moment the are averaging 52 league goal across the season lol Obviously that will fluctaue but I think it's pretty delusional to suggest that they won't reach that feat.

This is a very strange conversation - looking at recent seasons in general would back up my point not yours? Generally speaking the trio don't reach 70 goals in all competitions between them - take any season in history other than 2017-18 and they've not reached that tally. And of course - all the goals in all the competitions count, but you're looking at a ridiculous sample size - the opposition in Europa League qualifiers is significantly weaker than pretty much anyone we'll be facing for the rest of the season bar a lucky cup draw - to be fair we've been given a favourable group draw, but even then the trio will most likely be rested for a lot of those games to give Vinicius, Bergwijn and Lucas a go so they likely won't even play much in them. And all of that's assuming, which was my original point in my original post, that they stay fit and in-form. Which after two of the three have already picked up injuries into the season, Kane's four successive seasons with at least one if not two long term injuries and Bale spending years of being Real's Darren Anderton - I find hard to see.

I'd love it if they got 70 goals between them - as it would mean they've all stayed fit, Bale has gotten back to his best and they've all hit good form. Just don't see how a fan of a club that watched Kane, Son and Bergwijn all break down at exactly the same time last season can just expect to take that kind of luck for granted.